Bumrah vs Holding - Greater test bowler?

[centurymaker]

Top 4

Marshall-McGrath

Hadlee-Ambrose


Steyn slightly lower down.

 

[Coronis]

So for Windies players, they had 2 series affected by WSC.

1977/78 Australia in Windies, the first 2 matches had WSC players, Holding didn’t play in either match.

1978/79 Windies in India, 6 test series.

 

[kyear2]

Bro you missed responding to or acknowledging the main point I was making – His quality of wickets is quite high so discount for bowling friendly era doesn't possibly apply; its effect gets cancelled by him playing stronger teams almost exclusively.

I said excellent work.

Then that he's elite.

I agreed with you.

 

[kyear2]

I did not really see Hadlee , but his numbers look great. Looking at it, it seems he was closer to McGrath. I did see McGrath's entire career.

Do you think peer review or pundit's rating not coming that high was due to him playing for NZ? Hypotheticallty, if he was playing for Eng with the same numbers, do you think peer/pundit's rating would have been higher for Hadlee? I know these are hypothetical questions, but since you saw him bowl, what's your take?

I put Marshall and then Hadlee/McGrath togther. Followed by Steyn/Ambrose. I saw only McGrath, Steyn and Ambrose out of these 5.

I don't think the argument that he's from NZ can be a coverall for everything. Wasim played for Pakistan, Headley played for the WI, if we really want to go back that far. Nationality would also impact pundit rating and not peer one, and he wasn't particularly rated by his peers either.

I'm not saying I'm beyond a shadow of a doubt right and the forum is wrong, I'm saying this is my personal belief at this time. Not trying to convince anyone.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Do you think peer review or pundit's rating not coming that high was due to him playing for NZ? Hypotheticallty, if he was playing for Eng with the same numbers, do you think peer/pundit's rating would have been higher for Hadlee?

Absolutely

 

[kyear2]

Top 4

Marshall-McGrath

Hadlee-Ambrose


Steyn slightly lower down.

Even this, though I think Steyn has an argument and should be there as well.

 

[kyear2]

Absolutely

Journalists probably, it wouldn't have impacted how the other players saw him.

 

[DrWolverine]

He had 8 series of 4/5 matches. He didn't play more than 3 tests in any of them.

Workload management

 

[Coronis]

I’m not sure how much it was brought up for Steyn tbh.

I’d say it would be less so due to both South Africa being lower profile than India, and Steyn being an ATG pacer and by far the greatest of his era, so it couldn’t really have any affect on comparisons to contemporaries.

Once more a shoutout to 3 very durable pacers.

Walsh 132/142
Ambrose 98/108
Rabada 71/81

 

[Randomfan]

I’m not sure how much it was brought up for Steyn tbh.

I don't recall many talking about Steyn not playing more than 3 tests. Bumrah has played 3+ tests 4 times so far.

 

[kyear2]

I don't recall many talking about Steyn not playing more than 3 tests. Bumrah has played 3+ tests 4 times so far.

I don't either. Was never something I noticed