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Better 4 year batting run (Tendulkar vs Sangakkara 07-10)

Whose run of form during this period was better?

  • Sachin Tendulkar

  • Kumar Sangakkara

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Randomfan

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Only ATG bowler both could have faced in that period was Steyn.

Sachin has 3 tons against Steyn and Co. in that period.
Sanga did not play SA in that period.

SA had the best bowling side in that period. It's hard to compare if one batsman in comparison had zero games against the best bowling side. If I have to still pick, I will pick the batsman who faced best bowling side with 50+ avg and 3 tons vs not getting a chance to face.
 
OverratedSanity

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Sanga didn't really tour outside asia much in this period; 27 of his 30 games were in Asia. Tendulkar maintained a great run of form with almost half his games in Australia/South Africa/England/NZ. It's a pretty easy choice.
 
MasterBlaster24

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Sanga’s Test peak was really from 2006 to 2010, right? If you include his ATG tour of New Zealand—where he scored back-to-back tons against Bond—that makes this comparison a lot closer than it might seem.
 
shortpitched713

shortpitched713

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MasterBlaster24 said:
Sanga’s Test peak was really from 2006 to 2010, right? If you include his ATG tour of New Zealand—where he scored back-to-back tons against Bond—that makes this comparison a lot closer than it might seem.
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I wanted it to be at a time when in form periods of both players were corresponding, just like for the Lara comparison. 2006 Sachin was still in something of a slump by his high standard.

Still not sure how he, as a 61.6 average bat during this time, is beating Sanga the 72.3 average bat here, so handily. It's like people didn't even reference performance and are choosing by name, idk?
 
Thala_0710

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shortpitched713 said:
I wanted it to be at a time when in form periods of both players were corresponding, just like for the Lara comparison. 2006 Sachin was still in something of a slump by his high standard.

Still not sure how he, as a 61.6 average bat during this time, is beating Sanga the 72.3 average bat here, so handily. It's like people didn't even reference performance and are choosing by name, idk?
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Sachin is winning here because sanga played 20/30 tests at home in this period and a further 7 in Asia and 2 in WI. He played a total of 1 SENA test.
Sachin was severely more tested. A great series in Aus, an even better against prime Steyn in SA, a further match winning series in NZ too. Whilst being simultaneously great at home.
 
shortpitched713

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OverratedSanity said:
Sanga didn't really tour outside asia much in this period; 27 of his 30 games were in Asia. Tendulkar maintained a great run of form with almost half his games in Australia/South Africa/England/NZ. It's a pretty easy choice.
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I just eyeballed and made a whole year periods comoarison, specifically to try to help out Sachin by excluding 2006, which I remember wasn't his best year. We have the context though which MasterBlaster mentions of Sanga's great tour in NZ there, which these numbers exclude. Still Sanga has over 10 runs advantage in this period.

Main advantage for Sachin here is excellent performance against Australia. I do see 2007 start did cut off Sanga Australia series. Let me rerun the filters, making sure to add in that series, and removing Bangladesh matches (not really a factor though, both bashed them at 100+ in 4-5 matches).

Also will do a filter removing India/Sri Lanka matches, as neither side could face their own attack, and will reduce some Asia focus of sample for Sanga.
 
shortpitched713

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Without Bangladesh:



Sanga averages 66.2, Sachin 57.1.

Sachin had many more innings against Australia, but Sanga's lone match against them was excellent too. Even if I add like 200+ runs to Sachin's total for "quality" against Australia, that would only bring up his average to 60-61.

However I slice it, I just can't help but conclude that this version of Sanga was just a better bat than this version of Sachin.
 
Thala_0710

Thala_0710

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shortpitched713 said:
Without Bangladesh:



Sanga averages 66.2, Sachin 57.1.

Sachin had many more innings against Australia, but Sanga's lone match against them was excellent too. Even if I add like 200+ runs to Sachin's total for "quality" against Australia, that would only bring up his average to 60-61.

However I slice it, I just can't help but conclude that this version of Sanga was just a better bat than this version of Sachin.
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How can you conclude that when majority of those runs came at home? 20/30...only 1 test in SENA?
 
shortpitched713

shortpitched713

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If I take out Bangladesh, Australia matches (helps Sachin's average), and SL v India H2H (helps Sanga's average), Sanga still ends up with greater than 10 runs batting average advantage.
 
shortpitched713

shortpitched713

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The more contiguous period slightly longer than 4 years is Dec 2006 - Jan 2011. As mentioned by MasterBlaster, this adds away centuries for Sanga in New Zealand and Sachin in South Africa.



Sachin - 61.2 from 79 innings
62.7 Home
60.3 Away
.6X Away + .4X Home Weighted Average = 61.3

Sanga - 75 from 53 innings
84.1 Home
63.1 Away
.6X Away + .4X Home Weighted Average = 71.5


Removing Bangladesh:



Sachin - 57.0 from 73 innings
62.7 Home
53.2 Away
.6X Away + .4X Home Weighted Average = 57.0

Sanga - 69.5 from 46 innings
70.4 Home
68.3 Away
.6X Away + .4X Home Weighted Average = 69.1


Removing all of Bangladesh, H2H between Sri Lanka and India, and Australia:



Sachin - 50.9 from 38 innings
48.8 Home
52.2 Away
.6X Away + .4X Home Weighted Average = 50.8

Sanga - 66.6 from 29 innings
66.4 Home
66.9 Away
.6X Away + .4X Home Weighted Average = 66.7


It looks like however you slice it, Sanga looks to come out ahead. For that reason I think I can pretty confidently say that this version of Sanga is definitely the best batsman of the late 2000s era. For Sachin peaks, 90s Sachin is probably better than this, and this version is a good throwback but not really "peak" in terms of being the best batsman of the time.
 
shortpitched713

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_00_deathscar said:
It’s almost like raw averages don’t tell the full story.
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I'm trying to slice it in many ways in a way that is fair to both batsmen and compares apples to apples. However you do it, Sanga ends up being more productive.

Ultimately productivity in any given condition or circumstance is how you judge a batsman, and it's why I feel pretty confident that this version of Sanga is better than the same period's version of Sachin (says nothing of who's greater, as the idea that Sachin can even have peaks more than a decade apart is a point in his favor, but for a different argument).
 
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shortpitched713 said:
I'm trying to slice it in many ways in a way that is fair to both batsmen and compares apples to apples. However you do it, Sanga ends up being more productive.

Ultimately productivity in any given condition or circumstance is how you judge a batsman, and it's why I feel pretty confident that this version of Sanga is better than the same period's version of Sachin (says nothing of who's greater, as the idea that Sachin can even have peaks more than a decade apart is a point in his favor, but for a different argument).
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The slice in the OP clearly made Sachin look better imo. Including the 06 NZ runs for Sanga probably tilts it in his favour.

Still literally only 5 games outside Asia (2 of them in WI), compared to 16 though so if someone is too anal about away runs they could make a case for Tendulkar.
 
shortpitched713

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OverratedSanity said:
The slice in the OP clearly made Sachin look better imo. Including the 06 NZ runs for Sanga probably tilts it in his favour.

Still literally only 5 games outside Asia (2 of them in WI), compared to 16 though so if someone is too anal about away runs they could make a case for Tendulkar.
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Yeah, but only because he simply didn't have many Away matches. The ones he did play he has a pretty excellent record, regardless of the whens or wheres. Add the extra context of an excellent Away SENA series right before in Dec 2006, and it just becomes really hard for me to make a case for this Sachin version possibly being better.
 
Migara

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Sanga as a pure bat beats every body, other than Bradman and Sobers. It is simple as that.

If we do a fair guess what he would average if he played as a wk-bat whole career, I'd say 50 - 52. As a pure bat 60 - 62.
Which ever way you take he is either one of the greatest wicket keeper batters ever seen if not the greatest, or one of the top three if he played as a batsman alone his whole career.
 
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