Barnes 1912 Sa series Vs Hadlee 1985 Aus Series

[vidiq]

Hadlee - 33 wickets in 3 matches at 12.15 AVG, 2.36 eco and 30.81 sr.

Barnes - 34 wickets in 3 matches at 8.29 AVG , 2.20 eco and 22.58 sr .

 

[Migara]

Hadlee.

 

[Johan]

Sydney Barnes in South Africa in 1913-14 is the Greatest bowling feat any bowler had, anywhere. It's probably a feat that will never be topped, not sure it can be topped but Hadlee came the closest.

 

[Thala_0710]

Sydney Barnes in South Africa in 1913-14 is the Greatest bowling feat any bowler had, anywhere. It's probably a feat that will never be topped, not sure it can be topped but Hadlee came the closest.

The comparison here isn't between those 2 series though.

 

[Thala_0710]

Also, that was a really poor SA lineup Barnes was playing against, on much more bowling friendly surfaces.

 

[Johan]

The comparison here isn't between those 2 series though.

home series is just as monsterous but he really should've just said Triangular series.

 

[kyear2]

Hadlee, versus who matters.

 

[kyear2]

Also, that was a really poor SA lineup Barnes was playing against, on much more bowling friendly surfaces.

I don't see how this part is generally omitted.

It was a borderline minnow lineup.

 

[Johan]

It's never omitted, it's just that nobody at the time or today actually believes it was a minnow lineup.

 

[Thala_0710]

It's never omitted, it's just that nobody at the time or today actually believes it was a minnow lineup.

It's a poor lineup, let's be honest.

 

[Johan]

It's a poor lineup, let's be honest.

Handily international level.

 

[kyear2]

Handily international level.

And I disagree, not to be obtuse or difficult, but to objectively look at it. It was imo, below.

 

[Johan]

And I disagree, not to be obtuse or difficult, but to objectively look at it. It was imo, below.

I mean, you're allowed to be incorrect but South Africa had a better record than many current international teams do, their batting was probably better than current saffers.

 

[Thala_0710]

I mean, you're allowed to be incorrect but South Africa had a better record than many current international teams do, their batting was probably better than current saffers.

Career batting averages:
Gerald Hartigan: 11.4
Herbert Taylor: 40.78
Arthur Nourse: 29.79
Charles Llewellyn: 20.15
Aubrey Faulkner: 40.79
Sibley Snooke: 22.4
Frank Mitchell: 11.6
Reginald schwarz: 13.85
Sidney pegler: 15.48
Claude Carter: 18.1
Thomas Campbell: 15.00

 

[Thala_0710]

You've got a grand total of 3 guys avging above 22.5

 

[Johan]

Career batting averages:
Gerald Hartigan: 11.4
Herbert Taylor: 40.78
Arthur Nourse: 29.79
Charles Llewellyn: 20.15
George Faulkner: 40.79
Sibley Snooke: 22.4
Frank Mitchell: 11.6
Reginald schwarz: 13.85
Sidney pegler: 15.48
Claude Carter: 18.1
Thomas Campbell: 15.00

the conventional average at the time: 24.52

so Yeah, International level.

South Africa beat England twice at home in the era, and would've won multiple games in the 1913-14 series had it not been for Barnes.

South Africa's record in the golden era is not minnow level, at all.

 

[vidiq]

You've got a grand total of 3 guys avging above 22.5

It means that era was the Toughest era in test cricket?

 

[Thala_0710]

the conventional average at the time: 24.52

so Yeah, International level.

South Africa beat England twice at home in the era, and would've won multiple games in the 1913-14 series had it not been for Barnes.

South Africa's record in the golden era is not minnow level, at all.

Three batters above international level only though.
Yeah I mean, I can't rate it that high. All that I understand, the batting line up seems to me to be at a similar level to WI of the past few years.
Barnes's stats in that series are very similar to Bumrah's stats on his tour to WI (avg, SR and eco). Barnes did bowl more and played an extra game, and hence the higher WPM and wickets taken.
The great WPM is obviously what it takes to a level above the Bumrah effort, but I can't rate at Hadlee level.

 

[Thala_0710]

It means that era was the Toughest era in test cricket?

It means batting conditions were tough and SA had a poor batting line up. Either way, Barnes had a much easier job than Hadlee.

 

[Johan]

Three batters above international level only though.
Yeah I mean, I can't rate it that high. All that I understand, the batting line up seems to me to be at a similar level to WI of the past few years.
Barnes's stats in that series are very similar to Bumrah's stats on his tour to WI (avg, SR and eco). Barnes did bowl more and played an extra game, and hence the higher WPM and wickets taken.
The great WPM is obviously what it takes to a level above the Bumrah effort, but I can't rate at Hadlee level.

Dave Nourse, Aubrey Faulkner and Herbert Taylor are a level above any of the Windies Batsmen of modern times.