Andy Flower

[tooextracool]

Geraint Jones' terrible luck with RUDs: I don't think I've ever seen one batsman get so many good balls in a single series

which more or less evened out with the number of fortunate decisions that he got and the number of times he batted like a dumba**.

 

[Richard]

1. I dont Bell was in poor form at all he got some great deliveries & was able to cope with McGrath & Warne (especially)

Some of the strokes he played, against Lee especially, suggest to me that he wasn't in very good form.

2. Rubbish mayn, Good fortune ha, Clarke palyed heads of rash strokes after he got good starts England are the one's who are lucky that he could build on those starts or else we could have seen some big scored from Pup.

No, Clarke had at least 7 let-offs in the summer and just 1 piece of bad luck. His not going on with starts is relatively typical, not lucky on England's part.

 

[Richard]

Why? It has troubled me this "sympathy" for the Gypo. Did anyone see him feeling sorry for any batsman at any time during his career? "oh sorry old boy, I got you out and hey you're out of form old fruit, never mind old boy, what??" My ****. He was a miserable cnut all tour, bugger 'im the greasy gypo mongrel .

The way I understand it Gillespie has always been a nice-guy (even if he has, of course, benefited from the presence of nasty-bugger McGrath) and has been perceived as such from most opponents.
And whether or not he had sympathy for some out-of-form batsman he dismissed, I did, and hence I now have sympathy for him.
Whoever they play for, I never like to see a fine cricketer down.

 

[Richard]

FWIW, I thought Jones was amongst the better players of Warne in this Ashes.

He didn't play him badly, no, but that second-innings stroke at Trent Bridge just kinda overshadows much.

 

[Richard]

which more or less evened out with the number of fortunate decisions that he got and the number of times he batted like a dumba**.

How many fortunate decisions did he get precisely?
1 that I can think of.

 

[Richard]

To summarize:

When someone posts a thread on a topic Richard doesn't find interesting, Richard starts talking about something different. Richard would be bored if people continued to discuss the original topic, so Richard ignores everyone else and makes sure Richard's opinions will become the subject of conversation. After all, why should Richard care what other people want to discuss -- every thread ought to be a discussion of Richard's opinions.

i.e., by definition, Richard is a troll.

Or did I miss something?

Yes, you did.
Apart from anything, "troll" is not a word used by many on this board - it's really reserved for people who post aught but flame-bait.
And another thing is that I am not the only perpetrator of the pattern, and you are an utter fool if you think I am.

 

[aussie]

Some of the strokes he played, against Lee especially, suggest to me that he wasn't in very good form.

No, Clarke had at least 7 let-offs in the summer and just 1 piece of bad luck. His not going on with starts is relatively typical, not lucky on England's part.

1. Well i cant see how

2. 7 let-offs???, refresh me mayn.....

 

[Richard]

1. Well i cant see how

Why not? He played some very poor strokes to get himself out, and after the Bangladesh 3-dayers didn't score any runs in any cricket for either Warks or England.
His form in the last 2\3ds of the season was poor.

2. 7 let-offs???, refresh me mayn.....

3 in that dreadful innings at The Oval alone, the massive one with Pietersen at Lord's, 2 at Trent Bridge second-innings, and 1 at Edgbaston first-innings. There may be more that I've forgotten.

 

[Mister Wright]

2. 7 let-offs???, refresh me mayn.....

Clarke has more let offs than any other international batsman and still only averages 40.

 

[Richard]

Let me assure you he doesn't have significantly more than Trescothick or Sehwag.

 

[aussie]

Let me assure you he doesn't have significantly more than Trescothick or Sehwag.

i wanted to know couldn't see how Clarke gives the most chances, since its only in this series he gave all these chances....

 

[aussie]

Why not? He played some very poor strokes to get himself out, and after the Bangladesh 3-dayers didn't score any runs in any cricket for either Warks or England.
His form in the last 2\3ds of the season was poor.

yea his form in CC at the end was poor but in the test series he was out to more good deliveries than poor shots, his 2 poor shots was the 1st innings at OT & the 2nd innings at TB.

 

[Richard]

Hmm...
Lord's first-innings: good ball, not a RUD, but a good one
Lord's second-innings: no way he was going to play a leg-break that didn't turn
Edgbaston first-innings: good ball again, not a RUD again, but a good one
Edgbaston second-innings: good ball again
Old Trafford first-innings: not a great shot
Old Trafford second-innings: three poor strokes for all three chances, but they were going for quick runs which is not his natural style so there is some mitigation
Trent Bridge first-innings: very, very similar to the Edgbaston first-innings and kinda a mirror-image of Lord's fisrt-innings
Trent Bridge second-innings: dreadful stroke, worthy of Geraint Jones
The Oval first-innings: another good ball, but not, once more, one where he had no chance at all
The Oval second-innings: a ball that he couldn't have played in his best form
So in summation he got a lot of good balls but I reckon in his best form he'd have played a lot of them.

 

[Richard]

i wanted to know couldn't see how Clarke gives the most chances, since its only in this series he gave all these chances....

Well mostly he's been caught on his 1st chance in his career but as we all know he got a huge let-off in his maiden Test innings.

 

[aussie]

Well mostly he's been caught on his 1st chance in his career but as we all know he got a huge let-off in his maiden Test innings.

na it was a little high

 

[Richard]

So high that practically every account said it was near-enough plumb.

 

[Mister Wright]

So high that practically every account said it was near-enough plumb.

It was the most plumb LBW ever that has not been given.

 

[Richard]

Haha, you clearly didn't see Vaughan-vs-Kumble as adjudged by David Orchard at Headingley 2002.
Easily the worst not-out I've ever seen - ranks almost up with the Stewart "out" from Peter Manuel at Galle in 2000\01.

 

[Mister Wright]

Haha, you clearly didn't see Vaughan-vs-Kumble as adjudged by David Orchard at Headingley 2002.
Easily the worst not-out I've ever seen - ranks almost up with the Stewart "out" from Peter Manuel at Galle in 2000\01.

No I didn't see them, or if I did, I can't remember them. There have been a lot that's for sure.

 

[honestbharani]

He didn't play him badly, no, but that second-innings stroke at Trent Bridge just kinda overshadows much.

It was a rush of blood, but overall, he looked one of the best equipped guys to handle Warne in the England side.