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Andy Flower vs Pujara

Better test batter?

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govinda indian fan

govinda indian fan

International Debutant
ataraxia said:
This is as bad as Williamson v Virat lol.

Come to think of it, Virat v Pujara is a decent discussion when one accounts for the extra value facing more deliveries provides. @PlayerComparisons what are your thoughts? Worth a thread?
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Look virat record vs aus eng sa and look at kane. Love kane but he is a htb and has done nothing in ind eng sa and sl
 
BazBall21

BazBall21

International Captain
Quite close. Flower had wicket-keeping tax in a weak team, but Pujara batted top 3. That's particularly notable when you consider he had to bat in SENAW a lot, where Flower only played 10 tests. A high proportion of those games for Pujara came v some good attacks in low-scoring tests. Both excelled v spin, and Pujara averaged in the late 40s after playing the same amount of years as Flower.

Pujara suffered a bad decline in his favoured conditions though, and while he had a tougher schedule, he did only average 32 outside Asia. Flower was also very good v Murali.

Flower just.
 
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MasterBlaster24

MasterBlaster24

U19 Cricketer
Thala_0710 said:
Flower is more comparable with Kohli than Pujara now
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ataraxia said:
This is as bad as Williamson v Virat lol.

Come to think of it, Virat v Pujara is a decent discussion when one accounts for the extra value facing more deliveries provides. @PlayerComparisons what are your thoughts? Worth a thread?
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Flower's avg in Eng-22
Pak-38
Sa-26
Sl-23
Ban-142

Flower scored heavily on flat tracks in India.
(avg runs per wkt in games that Flower played in India - 42.33)

Flower had a great series in 2000s in the west indies, and I'll give him credit for that. Pujara's heroics in Australia are equal to or even better than that, imo. (best opponent of his era)
Flower didn't play a single match in Australia. (not his fault btw)
But only played a single match against Australia (best opposition of his era) which massively benefitted his overall record.

Flower batted mostly at 5.
Pujara batted mostly at 3.(opened in some games too)

Because Flower carried a minnow team, I also rate him slightly higher than Pujara as a batter.

How is Flower not comparable to Pujara?
Flower isn't Tendulkar, who cannot be compared to Pujara. I honestly disagree with your opinion that Pujara is a tier below batter than Flower, though.
 
Thala_0710

Thala_0710

International Captain
MasterBlaster24 said:
Flower's avg in Eng-22
Pak-38
Sa-26
Sl-23
Ban-142

Flower scored heavily on flat tracks in India.
(avg runs per wkt in games that Flower played in India - 42.33)

Flower had a great series in 2000s in the west indies, and I'll give him credit for that. Pujara's heroics in Australia are equal to or even better than that, imo. (best opponent of his era)
Flower didn't play a single match in Australia. (not his fault btw)
But only played a single match against Australia (best opposition of his era) which massively benefitted his overall record.

Flower batted mostly at 5.
Pujara batted mostly at 3.(opened in some games too)

Because Flower carried a minnow team, I also rate him slightly higher than Pujara as a batter.

How is Flower not comparable to Pujara?
Flower isn't Tendulkar, who cannot be compared to Pujara. I honestly disagree with your opinion that Pujara is a tier below batter than Flower, though.
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I'm not saying he isn't comparable. I'm saying he is closer to Kohli than he is to Pujara. A big part of that is because Kohli isn't that far from Pujara now as he used to be before this massive decline.
Now for their comparison, Flower did bat at 5 but his team's batting was pretty poor, so his entry points were comparable to no 4's of most top team s (even worse in some cases). I agree with the point of Pujara's heroics against AUS, and against SL too he did very well, albeit it was a very weak outfit, but against the other sides like SA, ENG, NZ and even WI his record is very poor (both home and away), hence why I have Flower above.
PS: The Kohli statement was meant to be more an indictment on Kohli rather than Pujara.
 
MasterBlaster24

MasterBlaster24

U19 Cricketer
Thala_0710 said:
I'm not saying he isn't comparable. I'm saying he is closer to Kohli than he is to Pujara. A big part of that is because Kohli isn't that far from Pujara now as he used to be before this massive decline.
Now for their comparison, Flower did bat at 5 but his team's batting was pretty poor, so his entry points were comparable to no 4's of most top team s (even worse in some cases). I agree with the point of Pujara's heroics against AUS, and against SL too he did very well, albeit it was a very weak outfit, but against the other sides like SA, ENG, NZ and even WI his record is very poor (both home and away), hence why I have Flower above.
PS: The Kohli statement was meant to be more an indictment on Kohli rather than Pujara.
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Avgs of some Zimbabwean batters from Flowers debut to 1999 Dec 31
A Flower-44.48
DL Houghton-43.05
MW Goodwin-40.22
GW Flower-33.28
Flower wasn't lone warrior either.

He only had a good record in New Zealand out of all the Sena nations. In the second half of the 1990s, NZ was a poor team.How can someone who unproven themselves in Sena countries be given such a high rating? When Pujara was playing, West Indies was a poor team.
In SA and Eng, Pujara at least scored a couple of centuries.
Pujara averaged in the late 40s after playing the same amount of years as Flower.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
MasterBlaster24 said:
Avgs of some Zimbabwean batters from Flowers debut to 1999 Dec 31
A Flower-44.48
DL Houghton-43.05
MW Goodwin-40.22
GW Flower-33.28
Flower wasn't lone warrior either.

He only had a good record in New Zealand out of all the Sena nations. In the second half of the 1990s, NZ was a poor team.How can someone who hasn't shown themselves in Sena countries be given such a high rating? When Pujara was playing, West Indies was a poor team.
In SA and Eng, Pujara at least scored a couple of centuries.
Pujara averaged in the late 40s after playing the same amount of years as Flower.
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Houghton and Goodwin played like 20 games with Flower and Grant's average ended up as 28
 
Fanboy375

Fanboy375

U19 Debutant
Kohli is having so much fall recently people now comparing him with players that people 5 years ago didn't expected
 
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