Andy Flower vs Adam Gilchrist

[BazBall21]

Gilchrist

 

[Fanboy375]

Gilchrist has higher strike rate than Flower.Flower is more defensive player.While Gilchrist looked for boundaries

 

[subshakerz]

Gilchrist has higher strike rate than Flower.Flower is more defensive player.While Gilchrist looked for boundaries

Yeah because Gilly had the luxury to.

 

[sayon basak]

Gilchrist has higher strike rate than Flower.Flower is more defensive player.While Gilchrist looked for boundaries

True I guess.

 

[Coronis]

Flower had a really good peak but was pretty mediocre for the first 5 years of his 10 year career.

92-97 24 matches 1404 @ 39.00 3 tons 9 50’s
98-01 32 matches 3068 @ 71.34 9 tons 16 fifties
01-02 7 matches 302 @ 23.00 2 fifties

 

[capt_Luffy]

Flower had a really good peak but was pretty mediocre for the first 5 years of his 10 year career.

Tbf he probably would have played longer if not for Mugabe

 

[Coronis]

Tbf he probably would have played longer if not for Mugabe

See edit, but he was already on a massive downturn over his last year

 

[subshakerz]

Flower had a really good peak but was pretty mediocre for the first 5 years of his 10 year career.

92-97 24 matches 1404 @ 39.00 3 tons 9 50’s
98-01 32 matches 3068 @ 71.34 9 tons 16 fifties
01-02 7 matches 302 @ 23.00 2 fifties

Yeah but Gilly got lucky by debuting in the middle of his batting peak and then playing the entire career in the flat bat era yet still averaging less than Flower who batted up the order in a weaker team for a longer career while taking the gloves.

Flower was just simply a more quality bat even if Gilly was more ideally suited to his role and more special.

 

[Coronis]

Yeah but Gilly got lucky by debuting in the middle of his batting peak and then playing the entire career in the flat bat era yet still averaging less than Flower who batted up the order in a weaker team while taking the gloves.

Flower was just simply a more quality bat even if Gilly was more ideally suited to his role and more special.

All I’m saying is Flower was mediocre for a large portion of his career. He too was lucky to play so many of his tests in that short period where he was dominating.

Gilchrist was a very good batsman at the first class level from about 95 iirc, he got a bit unlucky there imo. Missed out on a few more runs at a good time for him.

I do think Flower was a very talented batsman, and better than Gilchrist. I just don’t think the gap is as large as is generally suggested on here.

 

[subshakerz]

All I’m saying is Flower was mediocre for a large portion of his career. He too was lucky to play so many of his tests in that short period where he was dominating.

Gilchrist was a very good batsman at the first class level from about 95 iirc, he got a bit unlucky there imo. Missed out on a few more runs at a good time for him.

I do think Flower was a very talented batsman, and better than Gilchrist. I just don’t think the gap is as large as is generally suggested on here.

Yeah it's not a large gap, agreed, especially given Gillys extra gear and many clutch knocks.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah but Gilly got lucky by debuting in the middle of his batting peak and then playing the entire career in the flat bat era yet still averaging less than Flower who batted up the order in a weaker team for a longer career while taking the gloves.

Flower was just simply a more quality bat even if Gilly was more ideally suited to his role and more special.

I think what makes Gilchrist special when compared to your Flowers, Sangas and ABDs is just that irrespective of how long they kept (Flower 55 out of 63), how well they kept (Sangakkara being pretty great in handling Murali) or how they batted while keeping (AB averaging almost 60 with gloves); all these 3 were batsmen who kept. Gilchrist, on the otherhand, was a keeper who happened to be pretty Great with the bat.

 

[Johan]

Knott can't bat but can keep, Sanga can't perfect both at once, AB didn't keep for 85% of his career, Flower can't keep but can bat.

Gilly's really the only one who can do everything.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

AB I think potentially could have been as the ideal choice, as he was far superior as a bat but very small sample size as a WK

 

[DrWolverine]

There is proof for Knott can’t bat
There is proof for Sanga wasn’t a great bat as a WK
There is proof that AB kept for only 25/113 matches
Zero proof Flower can’t keep

 

[sayon basak]

Zero proof Flower can’t keep

Ask those who have seen him keep.


Don't you think he should've been rated much, much higher if he were a great keeper, as he is a better batter than Gilly?

 

[DrWolverine]

I have seen him keep and he was okay.

 

[Johan]

There is proof for Knott can’t bat
There is proof for Sanga wasn’t a great bat as a WK
There is proof that AB kept for only 25/113 matches
Zero proof Flower can’t keep

Knott averages 32

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Sanga 40 as keeper

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

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Maybe not bat is too much, but definitely nowhere near Gilchrist level.

Flower is someone you gotta watch keep to know, but he was a worse keeper than Bairstow if you'd ask me

 

[Coronis]

Yeah can’t bat is a very harsh description for a number 7. iirc he played some very key knocks for England.

 

[Coronis]

There is proof for Knott can’t bat
There is proof for Sanga wasn’t a great bat as a WK
There is proof that AB kept for only 25/113 matches
Zero proof Flower can’t keep

Can’t keep no, I don’t think any of us are saying that. From everything I’ve seen and heard he was a noticeably poorer keeper than Knott, Gilchrist, Sanga and even AB.

 

[sayon basak]

There is proof for Knott can’t bat

Batting might have not been Knott's biggest of strengths, but he was decent. He averaged 41 at no.7, that's good for a specialist keeper.