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All-Time World XIs: Discussion Thread
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BazBall21
International Captain
If he toured more, I suspect his away record would improve. He missed run spree series' like India 1984-85, Australia 1986-87 & New Zealand 1988.
Fuller Pilch
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Arthur Morris and Hanif Mohammed are rated WAY too low on here
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
Morris's record is too dependent on bashing a frankly awful Post Second War England.
Coronis
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Doubtful. 84-85 you could argue (but hey, surely he knew the risks), 86-87 he wasn’t there mentally (dropped out of the tour for personal reasons) and leading up to the NZ tour he of course wasn’t picked, at one point in the 1987 season he was dropped to his county’s second XI on account of how poor his form was.
BazBall21
International Captain
I think he didn't tour in 86-87 because his wife was expecting. Was he dropped for the NZ series? He was selected on the subcontinent tour in the same winter, scored some runs and had a good World Cup there. ODI form had a bigger say in Test selection back then.
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Coronis
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Thats my bad, the wording I read tripped me up. Didn’t realise there was both Pak in Eng 1987 and Eng in Pak 87/88
CricAddict
International Coach
The discussion going on about Ames at 6 has to be brought in here instead.
While Ames is a much lesser batsman than ABD and Walcott, he is a much better keeper as well. The batting depth of previous teams are lesser compared to World E so that makes up for the loss in batting by Ames to ABD/Walcott.
While Ames is a much lesser batsman than ABD and Walcott, he is a much better keeper as well. The batting depth of previous teams are lesser compared to World E so that makes up for the loss in batting by Ames to ABD/Walcott.
Thala_0710
International Captain
Agreed
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
Ranji is a bit better than May who is clearly better than Williamson.
Thala_0710
International Captain
Let's shake on the fact that kane shouldn't make it this early
ataraxia
International Coach
I'm just trying to imagine this comment in a world where Williamson was English and May a Kiwi. Hmm – I can't.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
Mhm Ranjitsinhji, well known Englishman that I'm a big fan of.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
Bad record in South Africa, very good in Australia and very passable in the West Indies before his second tour where he returned home early due to illnesses that would lead him to retire literally next year. Not like Kane has done something era defining away from home that May having one bad series in South Africa eliminates him from the conversation.
ataraxia
International Coach
No I'm not just talking about a bad series in South Africa, I'm talking about the fact that holistically his away record is a hot mess. I'd be interested to see his FC record away from England, since in tests he played 59% of his matches at home and averaged 22 runs fewer on tour.
Plainly, his away record's a hot mess in the same way that Williamson's is. But it's hardly talked about. Maybe that's because unlike May, Williamson averages 75 at home in his own decade-long peak. Which is rather a lot better than 57.
Plainly, his away record's a hot mess in the same way that Williamson's is. But it's hardly talked about. Maybe that's because unlike May, Williamson averages 75 at home in his own decade-long peak. Which is rather a lot better than 57.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Say "hot mess" more.
ataraxia
International Coach
Well personally I had no idea it was nearly as bad. Like Compton's away record on steroids. But it doesn't matter, does it? Away record only matters for non-Englishmen.