Abd vs steve smith

[sayon basak]

True, one should look into overall stats involving the players because that's the only number that actually matters to the game itself.

That also wouldn't take anything that he mentioned into account, plus if the batter scores most of his runs against the spinners, his average involving those pacers also would be high.

 

[Johan]

That also wouldn't take anything that he mentioned into account, plus if the batter scores most of his runs against the spinners, his average involving those pacers also would be high.

Yeah, but that's textbook getting the job done, for example, blocking out someone like Murali and feasting on everyone is a completely fine strategy

 

[sayon basak]

Yeah, but that's textbook getting the job done, for example, blocking out someone like Murali and feasting on everyone is a completely fine strategy

If he couldn't score against fast bowlers but feasted on spinners, does he qualify as being better against pace bowling?

 

[Bolo.]

Great against swing and pace bowlers, poor against seam/wobble seam bowlers is what I'm getting here mostly. He retired at the perfect time then, in the wobble ball era from 2018 onwards he definitely ends up with a sub 50 avg.

Cummins, Anderson, Haze, Wagner are mainly seam or wobble seam. Seems like a pretty even split to me.

 

[Johan]

If he couldn't score against fast bowlers but feasted on spinners, does he qualify as being better against pace bowling?

No, but if he fought off an ATG pacer and feasted on rest, that qualifies as being great against pace

 

[govinda indian fan]

Steve Smith:-

vs Ravichandran Ashwin:- 17 matches, 434 runs @54.2
vs Ravindra Jadeja:- 16 matches, 322 runs @40.2
vs Graeme Swann:- 11 matches, 159 runs @53
vs Rangana Herath:- 3 matches, 79 runs @15.8
vs Yasir Shah:- 7 matches, 211 runs @30.1
vs Keshav Maharaj:- 8 matches, 132 runs @33
vs Prabath Jayasuriya:- 3 matches, 159 runs @79.5

Total:- 1496 runs @40.45

AB De Villiers:-

vs Ravichandran Ashwin:- 7 matches, 134 runs @67
vs Ravindra Jadeja:- 5 matches, 113 runs @28.2
vs Nathan Lyon:- 12 matches, 342 runs @171
vs Graeme Swann:- 6 matches, 98 runs @49
vs Rangana Herath:- 5 matches, 102 runs @51
vs Saeed Ajmal:- 6 matches, 166 runs @∞
vs Shane Warne:- 6 matches, 34 runs @8.5
vs Muttiah Muralitharan:- 2 matches, 69 runs @23
vs Anil Kumble:- 5 matches, 64 runs @∞

Total:- 1122 runs @53.03

Smith struggles vs herath yasir and mahraj not good enough for best player of spin bowling since lara while ab is good vs everyone except warne Murali and kumble

 

[govinda indian fan]

Imo ab by small margin. Played atg fast bowlers and spinners equally well while smith did struggle vs potential atg fast bowlers. Only thing goes against abd that he retired right at beginning of bowler friendly era.

 

[Johan]

Imo ab by small margin. Played atg fast bowlers and spinners equally well while smith did struggle vs potential atg fast bowlers. Only thing goes against abd that he retired right at beginning of bowler friendly era.

other than one series against the Australian quaret at home, he didn't really do anything crazy against any ATG pacer, helped him that the one ATG pacer of the era (Steyn) played for his team.

 

[sayon basak]

Imo ab by small margin. Played atg fast bowlers and spinners equally well while smith did struggle vs potential atg fast bowlers. Only thing goes against abd that he retired right at beginning of bowler friendly era.

Tbf ABD against Broad might be worse than Smith vs anybody.

 

[govinda indian fan]

other than one series against the Australian quaret at home, he didn't really do anything crazy against any ATG pacer, helped him that the one ATG pacer of the era (Steyn) played for his team.

Right but dont you rate him ahead of dravid who did well vs ambrose and donald

 

[govinda indian fan]

Tbf ABD against Broad might be worse than Smith vs anybody.

Yes but do remember ab doing well in england so surprised at his stats vs broad

 

[govinda indian fan]

Root in reversal of smith has dominated atg or best bowlers of opposition ie bumrah(except last series) rabada amir of course with exception of cummins tho

 

[Johan]

Right but dont you rate him ahead of dravid who did well vs ambrose and donald

against pace? Yeah, but I won't say Dravid is in class of either pace wise, when facing frontline Saffer and Aussie attacks Dravid has 2,799 @ 31.8 with only 3 tons in 94 innings, ABD and Smith doesn't have such holes in their record, the Windies series was very good but was more of an exception than the norm imo.

 

[govinda indian fan]

against pace? Yeah, but I won't say Dravid is in class of either pace wise, when facing frontline Saffer and Aussie attacks Dravid has 2,799 @ 31.8 with only 3 tons in 94 innings, ABD and Smith doesn't have such holes in their record, the Windies series was very good but was more of an exception than the norm imo.

He did well vs donald in 97 but was massive failure vs styen. has 180 vs mcgarth but also disastrous bgt in 99/00

 

[Shri]

As it seems, De Villiers probably didn't like wobblers. I reckon if he played 3/4 more matches against Asif/Broad, he could end up with a sub 50 average.

no batter exists who is/was good against wobble seam

 

[Srinath P]

These feel like useless and misleading.

Like the vs Anderson one. Average of 70 but in reality he’s scoring 15 runs a match against him. Not an innings, a match.

This is why I feel in the presence of bowlers is a better metric. When you have someone like Anderson or Bumrah or Hadlee in your side it allows other bowlers to perform as well, since they can capitalize on the pressure created by these players.