Abd vs steve smith

[govinda indian fan]

Who is better player of high quality fast bowling

 

[Johan]

the one who didn't fail three consecutive serieses against a matured Anderson and Broad. Jesus De Villiers got overrated on this site real fast.

 

[sayon basak]

Found these from Cricmetric:-

AB De Villiers:-
vs Pat Cummins:- 5 matches,150 runs @50
vs Jasprit Bumrah:- 3 matches, 58 runs @19.3
vs James Anderson:- 14 matches, 210 runs @70
vs Stuart Broad:- 13 matches, 163 runs @16.3
vs Mitchell Johnson:- 11 matches, 259 runs @51.8
vs Mitchell Starc:- 4 matches, 125 runs @125
vs Josh Hazlewood:- 4 matches, 77 runs @77
vs Brett Lee:- 8 matches, 159 runs @53
vs Glenn McGrath:- 3 matches, 32 runs @32
vs Mohammad Asif:- 5 matches, 26 runs @8.7
vs Shoaib Akhtar:- 1 match, 1 run @1
vs Ishant Sharma:- 13 matches, 144 runs @48
vs Zaheer Khan:- 9 matches, 114 runs @38
vs Chaminda Vaas:- 1 match, 21 runs @∞
vs Neil Wagner:- 1 match, 21 runs @∞
vs Trent Boult:- 3 matches, 44 runs @∞
vs Tim Southee:- 1 match, 17 runs @∞
vs Mohammad Shami:- 5 matches, 92 runs @46

Total:- 1696 runs @40.38

 

[Johan]

Broad destroyed De Villiers heh

 

[sayon basak]

Broad destroyed De Villiers heh

As it seems, De Villiers probably didn't like wobblers. I reckon if he played 3/4 more matches against Asif/Broad, he could end up with a sub 50 average.

 

[Thala_0710]

Found these from Cricmetric:-

AB De Villiers:-
vs Pat Cummins:- 5 matches,150 runs @50
vs Jasprit Bumrah:- 3 matches, 58 runs @19.3
vs James Anderson:- 14 matches, 210 runs @70
vs Stuart Broad:- 13 matches, 163 runs @16.3
vs Mitchell Johnson:- 11 matches, 259 runs @51.8
vs Mitchell Starc:- 4 matches, 125 runs @125
vs Josh Hazlewood:- 4 matches, 77 runs @77
vs Brett Lee:- 8 matches, 159 runs @53
vs Glenn McGrath:- 3 matches, 32 runs @32
vs Mohammad Asif:- 5 matches, 26 runs @8.7
vs Shoaib Akhtar:- 1 match, 1 run @1
vs Ishant Sharma:- 13 matches, 144 runs @48
vs Zaheer Khan:- 9 matches, 114 runs @38
vs Chaminda Vaas:- 1 match, 21 runs @∞
vs Neil Wagner:- 1 match, 21 runs @∞
vs Trent Boult:- 3 matches, 44 runs @∞
vs Tim Southee:- 1 match, 17 runs @∞
vs Mohammad Shami:- 5 matches, 92 runs @46

Total:- 1696 runs @40.38

Great against swing and pace bowlers, poor against seam/wobble seam bowlers is what I'm getting here mostly. He retired at the perfect time then, in the wobble ball era from 2018 onwards he definitely ends up with a sub 50 avg.

 

[Johan]

As it seems, De Villiers probably didn't like wobblers. I reckon if he played 3/4 more matches against Asif/Broad, he could end up with a sub 50 average.

can't believe you chose Villiers over Harvey on a bad turf

 

[sayon basak]

Steve Smith:-

vs Jasprit Bumrah:- 8 matches, 95 runs @ 23.8
vs James Anderson:- 29 matches, 479 runs @59.9
vs Stuart Broad:- 32 matches, 577 runs @52.5
vs Kagiso Rabada:- 9 matches, 128 runs @32
vs Dale Steyn:- 4 matches, 27 runs @27
vs Vernon Philander:- 9 matches, 125 runs @∞
vs Morne Morkel:- 5 matches, 70 runs @23.3
vs Mohammad Siraj:- 12 matches, 145 runs @36.2
vs Mohammad Shami:- 8 matches, 162 runs @162
vs Ishant Sharma:- 8 matches, 176 runs @176
vs Neil Wagner:- 4 matches, 80 runs @16
vs Trent Boult:- 6 matches, 154 runs @38.5
vs Shaheen Shah Afridi:- 7 matches, 77 runs @38.5
vs Tim Southee:- 9 matches, 188 runs @188
vs Naseem Shah:- 3 matches, 18 runs @9
vs Mohammad Asif:- 2 matches, 16 runs @∞
vs Mark Wood:- 11 matches, 128 runs @32
vs Chris Woakes:- 14 matches, 377 runs @53.7
vs Jofra Archer:- 3 matches, 94 runs @∞

Total:- 3116 runs @51.04

 

[Thala_0710]

Steve Smith:-

vs Jasprit Bumrah:- 8 matches, 95 runs @ 23.8
vs James Anderson:- 29 matches, 479 runs @59.9
vs Stuart Broad:- 32 matches, 577 runs @52.5
vs Kagiso Rabada:- 9 matches, 128 runs @32
vs Dale Steyn:- 4 matches, 27 runs @27
vs Vernon Philander:- 9 matches, 125 runs @∞
vs Morne Morkel:- 5 matches, 70 runs @23.3
vs Mohammad Siraj:- 12 matches, 145 runs @36.2
vs Mohammad Shami:- 8 matches, 162 runs @162
vs Ishant Sharma:- 8 matches, 176 runs @176
vs Neil Wagner:- 4 matches, 80 runs @16
vs Trent Boult:- 6 matches, 154 runs @38.5
vs Shaheen Shah Afridi:- 7 matches, 77 runs @38.5
vs Tim Southee:- 9 matches, 188 runs @188
vs Naseem Shah:- 3 matches, 18 runs @9
vs Mohammad Asif:- 2 matches, 16 runs @∞
vs Mark Wood:- 11 matches, 128 runs @32
vs Chris Woakes:- 14 matches, 377 runs @53.7

Not a great record vs Bumrah, Rabada or Wood. The 80+ avg stat against high pace looking sus now

 

[govinda indian fan]

Steve Smith:-

vs Jasprit Bumrah:- 8 matches, 95 runs @ 23.8
vs James Anderson:- 29 matches, 479 runs @59.9
vs Stuart Broad:- 32 matches, 577 runs @52.5
vs Kagiso Rabada:- 9 matches, 128 runs @32
vs Dale Steyn:- 4 matches, 27 runs @27
vs Vernon Philander:- 9 matches, 125 runs @∞
vs Morne Morkel:- 5 matches, 70 runs @23.3
vs Mohammad Siraj:- 12 matches, 145 runs @36.2
vs Mohammad Shami:- 8 matches, 162 runs @162
vs Ishant Sharma:- 8 matches, 176 runs @176
vs Neil Wagner:- 4 matches, 80 runs @16
vs Trent Boult:- 6 matches, 154 runs @38.5
vs Shaheen Shah Afridi:- 7 matches, 77 runs @38.5
vs Tim Southee:- 9 matches, 188 runs @188
vs Naseem Shah:- 3 matches, 18 runs @9
vs Mohammad Asif:- 2 matches, 16 runs @∞
vs Mark Wood:- 11 matches, 128 runs @32
vs Chris Woakes:- 14 matches, 377 runs @53.7

Boy i was right smith struggled vs three atg/potential atgs he faced ie boom kg and styen surprisingly he struggls vs afridi and shah who are mid

 

[govinda indian fan]

@sayon basak bro can you also put abd and smith vs ashwin jaddu ajmal and lyon

 

[govinda indian fan]

Found these from Cricmetric:-

AB De Villiers:-
vs Pat Cummins:- 5 matches,150 runs @50
vs Jasprit Bumrah:- 3 matches, 58 runs @19.3
vs James Anderson:- 14 matches, 210 runs @70
vs Stuart Broad:- 13 matches, 163 runs @16.3
vs Mitchell Johnson:- 11 matches, 259 runs @51.8
vs Mitchell Starc:- 4 matches, 125 runs @125
vs Josh Hazlewood:- 4 matches, 77 runs @77
vs Brett Lee:- 8 matches, 159 runs @53
vs Glenn McGrath:- 3 matches, 32 runs @32
vs Mohammad Asif:- 5 matches, 26 runs @8.7
vs Shoaib Akhtar:- 1 match, 1 run @1
vs Ishant Sharma:- 13 matches, 144 runs @48
vs Zaheer Khan:- 9 matches, 114 runs @38
vs Chaminda Vaas:- 1 match, 21 runs @∞
vs Neil Wagner:- 1 match, 21 runs @∞
vs Trent Boult:- 3 matches, 44 runs @∞
vs Tim Southee:- 1 match, 17 runs @∞
vs Mohammad Shami:- 5 matches, 92 runs @46

Total:- 1696 runs @40.38

Ab struggles vs bumrah asif and broad

 

[sayon basak]

@sayon basak bro can you also put abd and smith vs ashwin jaddu ajmal and lyon

Steve Smith:-

vs Ravichandran Ashwin:- 17 matches, 434 runs @54.2
vs Ravindra Jadeja:- 16 matches, 322 runs @40.2
vs Graeme Swann:- 11 matches, 159 runs @53
vs Rangana Herath:- 3 matches, 79 runs @15.8
vs Yasir Shah:- 7 matches, 211 runs @30.1
vs Keshav Maharaj:- 8 matches, 132 runs @33
vs Prabath Jayasuriya:- 3 matches, 159 runs @79.5

Total:- 1496 runs @40.45

AB De Villiers:-

vs Ravichandran Ashwin:- 7 matches, 134 runs @67
vs Ravindra Jadeja:- 5 matches, 113 runs @28.2
vs Nathan Lyon:- 12 matches, 342 runs @171
vs Graeme Swann:- 6 matches, 98 runs @49
vs Rangana Herath:- 5 matches, 102 runs @51
vs Saeed Ajmal:- 6 matches, 166 runs @∞
vs Shane Warne:- 6 matches, 34 runs @8.5
vs Muttiah Muralitharan:- 2 matches, 69 runs @23
vs Anil Kumble:- 5 matches, 64 runs @∞

Total:- 1122 runs @53.03

 

[sayon basak]

Not a great record vs Bumrah, Rabada or Wood. The 80+ avg stat against high pace looking sus now

Averaging 80 against high pace doesn't sound realistic at all, as that'd probably require him to average low 40's against other kinds of deliveries. That 80 average could be from some fixed period in his career.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Averaging 80 against high pace doesn't sound realistic at all, as that'd probably require him to average low 40's against other kinds of deliveries. That 80 average could be from some fixed period in his career.

I think that stat surfaced back in 2019 when he was duelling with Archer.

 

[Coronis]

Found these from Cricmetric:-

AB De Villiers:-
vs Pat Cummins:- 5 matches,150 runs @50
vs Jasprit Bumrah:- 3 matches, 58 runs @19.3
vs James Anderson:- 14 matches, 210 runs @70
vs Stuart Broad:- 13 matches, 163 runs @16.3
vs Mitchell Johnson:- 11 matches, 259 runs @51.8
vs Mitchell Starc:- 4 matches, 125 runs @125
vs Josh Hazlewood:- 4 matches, 77 runs @77
vs Brett Lee:- 8 matches, 159 runs @53
vs Glenn McGrath:- 3 matches, 32 runs @32
vs Mohammad Asif:- 5 matches, 26 runs @8.7
vs Shoaib Akhtar:- 1 match, 1 run @1
vs Ishant Sharma:- 13 matches, 144 runs @48
vs Zaheer Khan:- 9 matches, 114 runs @38
vs Chaminda Vaas:- 1 match, 21 runs @∞
vs Neil Wagner:- 1 match, 21 runs @∞
vs Trent Boult:- 3 matches, 44 runs @∞
vs Tim Southee:- 1 match, 17 runs @∞
vs Mohammad Shami:- 5 matches, 92 runs @46

Total:- 1696 runs @40.38

These feel like useless and misleading.

Like the vs Anderson one. Average of 70 but in reality he’s scoring 15 runs a match against him. Not an innings, a match.

 

[sayon basak]

These feel like useless and misleading.

Like the vs Anderson one. Average of 70 but in reality he’s scoring 15 runs a match against him. Not an innings, a match.

I mean, I wouldn't expect him to score all of his runs in a match against one bowler. And RPM is this scenario also depends on how much the bowler was used. The batter averages higher H2H means the bowler couldn't take his wicket and thus failed.

 

[Coronis]

I mean, I wouldn't expect him to score all of his runs in a match against one bowler. And RPM is this scenario also depends on how much the bowler was used. The batter averages higher H@H means the bowler couldn't take his wicket and thus failed.

Again its missing context though, how much was the batsman facing that bowler? If he scored 15 runs off Anderson and faced 42 balls from him is that Anderson failing?

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Yeah these stats can be interesting from a high level view (e.g. seeing if there's a common MO among the bowlers each player struggled most with). But you can't read much into each individual head to head.

As well as the lol sample sizes these raw stats don't tell you anything about the context of when/where they faced off. E.g. with Smith - did he play against these bowlers when he was picked as a youngling leg spinner or in his batting prime? Was he playing at home in the mid 2010s on some of the roadiest roads to ever road, or did he face them in the last 5 years in largely bowling-friendly conditions?

 

[Johan]

Yeah these stats can be interesting from a high level view (e.g. seeing if there's a common MO among the bowlers each player struggled most with). But you can't read much into each individual head to head.

As well as the lol sample sizes these raw stats don't tell you anything about the context of when/where they faced off. E.g. with Smith - did he play against these bowlers when he was picked as a youngling leg spinner or in his batting prime? Was he playing at home in the mid 2010s on some of the roadiest roads to ever road, or did he face them in the last 5 years in largely bowling-friendly conditions?

True, one should look into overall stats involving the players because that's the only number that actually matters to the game itself.