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All-Time World XIs: Discussion Thread

capt_Luffy

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I concede, Underwood has a poor record in WI while Chandra (ave 31.24) is solid but, imo, short of "very good".
To call Underwood's form in India "kinda mid" when he averages 27.70 there illustrates a certain bias.
Chandra won a game in WI single-handedly against an ATG batting unit, has 21 wicket in 4 games. I think Very Good is fair. For comparison, Underwood averages twice as much, and has less than one fourth the wickets.

In England against India, not in India. He has 8 wickets in 4 games @33. I actually think it's poor. I haven't called you biased for Underwood till now ftr.
 

Line and Length

International Coach
"I want my sole spinner to be more impactful, and Chandra was just that"

I too want a spinner who is more impactful. Chandra did well to claim 2 10 wicket hauls in his 58 Tests. However, Underwood achieved that feat 6 times in 86 Tests. Once every 14 Tests compared with once every 29 Tests. I call that more impactful.
 

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
"I want my sole spinner to be more impactful, and Chandra was just that"

I too want a spinner who is more impactful. Chandra did well to claim 2 10 wicket hauls in his 58 Tests. However, Underwood achieved that feat 6 times in 86 Tests. Once every 14 Tests compared with once every 29 Tests. I call that more impactful.
3 to NZ, which I don't rate much. So 3 in 77 vs 2 in 50. Also, no comment on the WPM?
 

Line and Length

International Coach
3 to NZ, which I don't rate much. So 3 in 77 vs 2 in 50. Also, no comment on the WPM?
I don't hold WPM in too high a regard. It is greatly influenced by the quality of the bowlers sharing the attack. In Underwood's case he had strike bowlers of the quality of Snow and Willis and, later, a young Botham to share the wickets.
 

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
I don't hold WPM in too high a regard. It is greatly influenced by the quality of the bowlers sharing the attack. In Underwood's case he had strike bowlers of the quality of Snow and Willis and, later, a young Botham to share the wickets.
Chandra had Bedi and Prasanna as well and having a stronger attack should also mean more all outs. 3.13 for a frontline spinner is genuinely poor penetration
 

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
It would appear that highly rated glovemen like Tallon, Evans, Oldfield et al aren't ranked as highly on CW. A greater emphasis is being put on keeper/batsmen ... with the batsman aspect the major factor.
Jock Cameron!!! He was rated as an equal to Oldfield, as in no clear majority existed as who was better between him, Oldfield and Duckworth. And managed to average 30 in Tests and 37 in FC as well! Tragically life got cut short, or else I am very very confident he would be atleast rated as an equal to Knott.
 

trundler

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Cameron never even scored a test ton. His entire reputation is based on one over. Imtiaz Ahmed was the first wicket keeper to score a double century in tests.
 

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
Cameron never even scored a test ton. His entire reputation is based on one over. Imtiaz Ahmed was the first wicket keeper to score a double century in tests.
Feel Imtiaz was more of a batter keeper though, Cameron was arguably a Top 10 glovesman ever
 

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