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Recent content by Cipher

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    Garry Sobers vs Imran Khan

    I suppose I do if they were considered notably good at it. It would come after Batting/Bowling/Fielding ability though. Hard to judge captaincy too, people can be good captains in different ways. If they're someone who keeps a team full of egos harmonious/instils a cultural change in them/a...
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    Garry Sobers vs Imran Khan

    What about Frank Worrell?
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    Your ATG team pace bowling trio

    Yes if I were in your shoes getting mentioned by someone but ignored at the same time I would be annoyed. That's a shame he couldn't agree to a truce on it. Kyear obviously has put a target on his back with some posters due to his sometimes abrasive style of comments but you've also had a laugh...
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    Your ATG team pace bowling trio

    I was, I appreciate the replies thankyou.
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    Your ATG team pace bowling trio

    I don't think that's how he frames it though. I think it's that prioritising your choices on the batting ability of bowlers as a difference maker isn't the top priority. He said earlier he would have questions if he included both Bumrah & McGrath in his XI for the tail, so he doesn't see it as a...
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    Your ATG team pace bowling trio

    No problem to argue it this way, as long as domestic/WSC competitions against top quality players are fine to include as a barometer for a players skill & not just tests, and that you consider this with every player if it's brought up. If you were going to disregard the skill of someone like...
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    Your ATG team pace bowling trio

    That's fair, he might argue you also have favouritism for him as well though. Just a cursed topic between you both. If that's how it is sure, as long as you're correctly interpreting his points/criteria in the first place & then finding flaws in it. You're passionate too though which is why he...
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    Your ATG team pace bowling trio

    Okay I'm glad you've given up on it, it's just not worth your time imo. It's just whenever you two debate Imran always seems to be brought up at some point, it's like watching a TV show with the same rehashed plot over and over again, it must get boring. That's fine if you don't like how he...
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    Your ATG team pace bowling trio

    Dude why do you constantly try to change his mind on Imran? He rates him amongst the best just not in his first 3 bowlers of an ATG side. You're never going to change his mind on rating him higher because of the reasons he's given & has stuck with consistently. You can disagree with them...
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    The value of a specialist keeper vs a wicketkeeper batsman

    Anything humanly possible to catch/stump/run out for the keeper. Or in other words no errors.
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    The value of a specialist keeper vs a wicketkeeper batsman

    Fair point, which would go back to my original post's link about the best keepers having a good drop rate because that indicates consistency. I'm curious to know if posters would be happy with a wicketkeeper who averaged 0 with the bat but took every single chance that came their way? I'd...
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    The value of a specialist keeper vs a wicketkeeper batsman

    I agree when it comes to sub standard keepers dropping more catches than they should. Having watched Matthew Wade with the gloves, I much preferred the trade off in batting average having Peter Nevill in the side. I think Nathan Lyon's bowling improved having a proper keeper in the side. That...
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    Your ATG team pace bowling trio

    I think this is the strongest argument against a full bat deep philosophy. None of the bowling all rounders can extract the same bounce that McGrath & Ambrose can. Contrasting styles in a bowling unit is important because different batsman will handle some styles better than others. There's no...
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    Your ATG team pace bowling trio

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    Your ATG team pace bowling trio

    Ahh mystery solved thanks :thumbup1:
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