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Ashwin vs Jadeja

Who deserves more to be in an Indian ATG XI?

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Xix2565

International Vice-Captain
I think judging Chandra and co to be better on vastly different tracks to what is seen now is a bit weird for me, and so I don't get this idea that you can only have one of these two in an ATG XI for away Tests.
 
Thala_0710

Thala_0710

International Captain
DrWolverine said:
I don’t agree.
I think he would have wrecked havoc on the turners.
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Jadeja's style is just much more suited to the turners than Chandra's is. Jadeja is more accurate, slightly higher pace, turns it just enough to get/beat the edge. Chandra's style of leg spin has been historically less successful on these type of pitches. They become much better on flatter wkts, where there isn't much in the pitch to play with, and Chandra could get the extra turn. In India, I'd take jaddu's higher accuracy
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

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Thala_0710 said:
Jadeja's style is just much more suited to the turners than Chandra's is. Jadeja is more accurate, slightly higher pace, turns it just enough to get/beat the edge. Chandra's style of leg spin has been historically less successful on these type of pitches. They become much better on flatter wkts, where there isn't much in the pitch to play with, and Chandra could get the extra turn. In India, I'd take jaddu's higher accuracy
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Chandra surely was faster I feel.
 
Thala_0710

Thala_0710

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subshakerz said:
Kumble was worldclass at home.
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Yeah he was, that's why he's better than Chandra overall. But to your point, when you already have 1 one of Jaddu/Ash with Kapil, Bumrah also there, you are going to win most games with either of Kumble/Chandra.
Chandra will win you more games away, if that's what's important.
The basic point is, Jadeja/Ashwin wins you the most games, but the poorest away. Chandra wins you the most away if you want that. Kumble is a mix of both worlds, but not as elite in either case.
 
subshakerz

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Thala_0710 said:
Yeah he was, that's why he's better than Chandra overall. But to your point, when you already have 1 one of Jaddu/Ash with Kapil, Bumrah also there, you are going to win most games with either of Kumble/Chandra.
Chandra will win you more games away, if that's what's important.
The basic point is, Jadeja/Ashwin wins you the most games, but the poorest away. Chandra wins you the most away if you want that. Kumble is a mix of both worlds, but not as elite in either case.
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Because my criteria is one side, and Kumble gets you both, I chose him

Btw I think Kumble is easily Jadeja/Ashwin level at home. Just look at his 90s record before pitches flattened.

 
Thala_0710

Thala_0710

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subshakerz said:
Because my criteria is one side, and Kumble gets you both, I chose him
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I don't think he gets both. He is better than Ashwin away or Chandra at home. But loses out to their strengths too. I don't think he's as good as Ashwin at home as you're suggesting. Thr rank turner point is overplayed imo with Ash/Jaddu at home. The pitches were, for the most part, still quite good in the 2010s, it's really only later on that we start seeing turners on a regular basis.
And both Ashwin Jadeja (Ashwin especially), was absolutely elite in the 2010s
 
subshakerz

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Thala_0710 said:
I don't think he gets both. He is better than Ashwin away or Chandra at home. But loses out to their strengths too. I don't think he's as good as Ashwin at home as you're suggesting. Thr rank turner point is overplayed imo with Ash/Jaddu at home. The pitches were, for the most part, still quite good in the 2010s, it's really only later on that we start seeing turners on a regular basis.
And both Ashwin Jadeja (Ashwin especially), was absolutely elite in the 2010s
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I also regard Ashwin the best at home. But Kumble is certainly near his level and around Jadeja.

But you were saying Kumble isn't elite at home which is simply not true.

Pitches in the 2000s in India flattened considerably. Do you dispute that?

Before that, Kumble had home numbers up there with Ashwin Jadeja.
 
Thala_0710

Thala_0710

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subshakerz said:
I also regard Ashwin the best at home. But Kumble is certainly near his level and around Jadeja.

But you were saying Kumble isn't elite at home which is simply not true.


Pitches in the 2000s in India flattened considerably. Do you dispute that?

Before that, Kumble had home numbers up there with Ashwin Jadeja.
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I never said Kumble isn't elite at home, where did I say that?
 
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