What we learned from the 5th Test

[RossTaylorsBox]

It should be like replacing a ball that has lost its shape. Subs should also be playing a concurrent game of cricket so they're equally tired.

There is an easy solution here for bowling subs.

While the game is ongoing, the sub bowls the same overs as the bowler who currently has the maximum workload, including any celebration of a wicket or diving for the ball on the field. This can be done in the nets next to the ground and overseen by another umpire.

RTB patent do not steal

You stole my bit.

 

[Agonizingly Awkward]

India picked 2 in the starting XI…

Not great to call Jadeja a spud

 

[Athlai]

You stole my bit.

I'm your injury sub

 

[_00_deathscar]

Not great to call Jadeja a spud

Karun and Sai
Jadeja contributed with the bat, memes aside

 

[Prince EWS]

He’d done it before. He even spoke about training for it. Also that was limited overs.

He spoke about training for it because he'd never really done it lol.

JFM trained as a keeper recently too because there was no backup keeper in the squad.

This sort of thing will always happen imo.

 

[Coronis]

You stole my bit.

Athlai - the original Alfalfa

 

[Paranoid Kendroid]

Archive this ****. Time for some real cricket - SA vs AUS

 

[GIMH]

Sub discussion is probably worth its own thread

i would just do what they do in club cricket. If a fielder needs a sub, one of the other team’s players who isn’t currently batting does fine leg.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Agree with this. Vaughan mentioned that anyone injured in the first innings should get a second innings sub (but not till then), so that kind of negates the freshness factor.

How would that negate the "freshness factor"? Getting a new bowler that has been resting for 3 days rather than bowling/fielding for an innings

 

[TheJediBrah]

Pant's injuries have always been a blow for India and having a specialist keeper come in and keep instead of him has not been of much help either. We have always lost one of our best batsman or at least a good percentage of his efficiency given he was injured, and the keepers while serviceable were also not as good as him against fast bowling esp. around the straighter lines.

This is definitely not true. India benefited from when it happened in Aus the tour before last and the first time this series. The replacement keeper did a much better job than a fully fit Pant would have and Pant batted better than that other keeper would have. There were English supporters (not the most reliable source I'm afraid) who claimed it possibly decided a Test match having the replacement keeper replacr Pant

 

[centurymaker]

Can't help but laugh when someone who didn't even watch the test and comes up with his own narrative!

 

[TheJediBrah]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but thinking thay didn't benefit India in those games is a terrible opinion

 

[centurymaker]

Jurel was somewhat worse against pace than Pant. He gave away majority of the 60 extras in that Test! (excluding noballs). He was several times late in knowing the line of the ball and thus let go easy byes. And when balls bounced right in front of him, Jurel still missed a few times. Not to mention the catching, as he had 3 dropped catches. Jurel is not a better keeper vs pace (at best he's on par with Pant). He is only better vs spin, which is unquestionable.

Not to mention Pant is a leader on the field. He helps set fields and passes new ideas. He is energetic and lifts his teammates. Jurel is passive and is often useless in reviews.

And because Pant was hurt, he couldn't bat as well as he could have. It cost India some runs. So your whole narrative is incorrect when seen from all angles, not just one angle.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Jurel was somewhat worse against pace than Pant. He gave away majority of the 60 extras in that Test! (excluding noballs).

He was several times late in knowing the line of the ball and thus let go easy byes. And when balls bounced right in front of him, Jurel still missed a few times. Not to mention the catching, as there were 3 dropped catches. Jurel is not a better keeper vs pace (at best he's on par with Pant). He is only better vs spin.

Not to mention Pant is a leader on the field. He helps set fields and passes new ideas. He is energetic and lifts his teammates. Jurel is passive and is useless in reviews.

And because Pant was hurt, he couldn't bat as well as he could have. It cost India some runs. So your whole narrative is incorrect when seen from all angles, not just one angle.

forgive me if don't take your (or HB's) opinions at face value. I'm equally skeptical of those expressed by the English on this forum which differ vastly from yours to say the least. Maybe it didn't benefit India much, I'm open to the possibility (though skeptical based on various reports I've heard) so perhaps I was too absolute in my previous post and for that you have my apologies. I know it definitely benefited them when it happened in Australia the first time, having followed the game closely

 

[honestbharani]

biased bigoted idiocy of tjb aside, The reality is that injury subs will be a necessary and welcome change to the playing conditions. Hopefully it happens soon enough.

 

[centurymaker]

English were just pissed off that Pant could come out to bat despite not keeping. So they were seeing everything through their one lens.

 

[TheJediBrah]

English were just pissed off that Pant could come out to bat despite not keeping. So they were seeing everything through their one lens.

you are doing the same thing though

 

[centurymaker]

you are doing the same thing though

I am judging Jurel in comparison to Pant. India would've been better off with a fully fit Pant than...a fully fit Jurel as keeper and a not fully fit Pant as batter

 

[centurymaker]

English fans were quick to highlight anything good Jurel did but failed to highlight any mistakes he made because those mistakes suited Eng. Just yesterday he failed to run out Woakes. He lacked game awareness. It could've costed India the match. But otherwise Jurel kept much better in this test than the previous two tests.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I am judging Jurel in comparison to Pant. India would've been better off with a fully fit Pant than...a fully fit Jurel as keeper and a not fully fit Pant as batter

You would definitely know better than me, and I choose to trust your analysis over that of the notoriously delusional English

It was a different case when Saha took over in Aus though