Smith vs Lara vs Viv - Who has had the best god mode?

[kyear2]

No. Lara has no tons against Donald and 2Ws despite playing 18 tests and was dismissed more by them when he faced them in their respective primes.

And they both average the same against them.

Right?

So they both struggled?

 

[kyear2]

Didn't have that weakness.

Yet he averaged the same against these bowlers.

You keep saying Sachin scored tons, but then still averaged the same. So higher highs, but much lower lows?

You're just spinning at this point, and displaying dizzying levels of hypocrisy.

 

[kyear2]

@Johan was it you that did a break down of how the best batsmen did against the top bowlers of their era?

Viv, Sachin, Sobers, Lara, Smith, Hutton?

 

[subshakerz]

Yet he averaged the same against these bowlers.

You keep saying Sachin scored tons, but then still averaged the same. So higher highs, but much lower lows?

You're just spinning at this point, and displaying dizzying levels of hypocrisy.

You can argue they did roughly the same against the same teams.

That's not the same as saying they did the same against the same pacers.

 

[subshakerz]

And they both average the same against them.

Right?

So they both struggled?

Only if you never watched those games.

Tendulkar in 99 wasn't struggling against the 2Ws.

Donald did give him some slight issues at times, it was a somewhat even battle, but nowhere near the struggle that Lara had with his pace and bounce.

Your view is divorced from the actual game.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Isn't Lara's and Sachin's records against the 2 Ws and Donald and Pollock practically the same?

I'll take a look later.

Not just the 2ws and Donald, Sachin was distinctly, imo, worst vs Mcgrath. Yeah Lara got owned in 1997 but Lara returned the favor and then some in 1999. And Mcgrath was almost unplayable in that series. I've always maintained that yes Lara was uncomfortable vs pace but results wise, he isn't that far behind Sachin vs pace. Pity Lara never played Walsh or Ambrose at test level (for obvious reasons). You ever read up on Lara's 180 odd vs Walsh, Rose, Perry etc. And that too, out of a total of 200 odd.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

@Johan was it you that did a break down of how the best batsmen did against the top bowlers of their era?

Viv, Sachin, Sobers, Lara, Smith, Hutton?

I believe it was.

 

[subshakerz]

Not just the 2ws and Donald, Sachin was distinctly, imo, worst vs Mcgrath. Yeah Lara got owned in 1997 but Lara returned the favor and then some in 1999. And Mcgrath was almost unplayable in that series. I've always maintained that yes Lara was uncomfortable vs pace but results wise, he isn't that far behind Sachin vs pace. Pity Lara never played Walsh or Ambrose at test level (for obvious reasons). You ever read up on Lara's 180 odd vs Walsh, Rose, Perry etc. And that too, out of a total of 200 odd.

Dude I got you to agree a while ago that Tendulkars record upon looking series by series and in context is not as poor as Lara against those bowlers. Please don't backtrack.

As for Lara and Tendulkar vs McGrath, even though Tendulkar never struggled like Lara did, Lara's 99 heroics give him the edge there.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Dude I got you to agree a while ago that Tendulkars record upon looking series by series and in context is not as poor as Lara against those bowlers. Please don't backtrack.

As for Lara and Tendulkar vs McGrath, even though Tendulkar never struggled like Lara did, Lara's 99 heroics give him the edge there.

You really need to give the Sachin worship a rest every now and then. You didn't get me to agree to anything. Look at any of my past posts again, I've always maintained that there is no huge gulf between Lara and Sachin vs the best pacers they both faced; because there isn't. You've yet to prove otherwise. You can use the Sachin scored 100s argument, which is somewhat valid but in terms of actual runs (which is what matters) they are close.

Prove me otherwise then Subz. Go on, show me the greats that Sachin averaged significantly more against overall....

 

[subshakerz]

Prove me otherwise then Subz. Go on, show me the greats that Sachin averaged significantly more against overall....

Ambrose and Steyn.

 

[subshakerz]

You really need to give the Sachin worship a rest every now and then. You didn't get me to agree to anything. Look at any of my past posts again, I've always maintained that there is no huge gulf between Lara and Sachin vs the best pacers they both faced; because there isn't. You've yet to prove otherwise. You can use the Sachin scored 100s argument, which is somewhat valid but in terms of actual runs (which is what matters) they are close.

Whatever you have already on the record agreed that Tendulkar has an edge over Lara against those pacers. That's all I wanted you to acknowledge.

And if I worshipped Sachin I wouldn't admit Lara had an edge over him against McGrath.

 

[kyear2]

You can argue they did roughly the same against the same teams.

That's not the same as saying they did the same against the same pacers.

Again you make **** up.

Wasim vs Lara - 2 dismissals from 7 matches

Wasim vs Tendulkar 1 dismissal from 7 matches

Waqar vs Lara - 3 from 6

Waqar vs Tendulkar 1 from 4

Should be noted though, that Sachin never once played Wasim in his prime, somehow only playing him on the outskirts of. Lara got the best of Wasim's prime.

Vs the South Africa's

Donald vs Lara - 6 from 10
Donald vs Sachin - 5 from 11

Pollock vs Lara - 3 from 15
Pollock vs Tendulkar - 4 from 12

Waqar got Lara a bit more, that's basically it.

 

[kyear2]

Only if you never watched those games.

Tendulkar in 99 wasn't struggling against the 2Ws.

Donald did give him some slight issues at times, it was a somewhat even battle, but nowhere near the struggle that Lara had with his pace and bounce.

Your view is divorced from the actual game.

In 99, how good were Wasim and Waqar?

 

[kyear2]

Ambrose and Steyn.

The ones Lara didn't play?

Seriously?

 

[kyear2]

I believe it was.

@Johan can you guide me them please?

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Jadeja

 

[capt_Luffy]

Will just say holding the WWs record against SRT makes is a little silly to me. Was literally 16 in 89 when he played 4, scored an ATG ton in 3 games in 99 and that's it. It's neither Great nor a weakness.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Ambrose and Steyn.

That they BOTH faced.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Whatever you have already on the record agreed that Tendulkar has an edge over Lara against those pacers. That's all I wanted you to acknowledge.

And if I worshipped Sachin I wouldn't admit Lara had an edge over him against McGrath.

You do, because my post wasn't even directed at you I was replying to Kyear but for whatever reason, you felt like defending Sachins honor. And everyone including myself and kyear accept Sachin was better and greater than Brian. But Sachins output vs the best pacers (especially in the 90s) was underwhelming. Get over it.

 

[subshakerz]

You do, because my post wasn't even directed at you I was replying to Kyear but for whatever reason, you felt like defending Sachins honor. And everyone including myself and kyear accept Sachin was better and greater than Brian. But Sachins output vs the best pacers (especially in the 90s) was underwhelming. Get over it.

Yeah I don't mind accepting that he was slightly below par versus those attacks in terms of output. That's fair and I have said this before.

That they BOTH faced.

Well then we have the same debate where you agree Tendulkar did a bit better.