Jasprit Bumrah vs Rahul Dravid vs Kapil Dev

[Johan]

what teams hard when Bradman walked out

 

[Coronis]

what teams hard when Bradman walked out

Some fitting Pokemon themes

 

[Johan]

also works unironically well for Bradman.

 

[BazBall21]

How have you been BazB?

Very good thanks. Haven't really enjoyed the ongoing Test series though. Too bat-dominated and there's been a repetitive inevitability of that because the pitches are flat and better bowling attacks than the ones being fielded would struggle.

 

[kyear2]

Sobers simply wasn't good enough to shine Bradmans boots. It's ok though. No other cricketer was. Except maybe Imran in the 80s hahaha

Yeah, ball tampering and home umpires go a long way I imagine.

In any event.

Wisden (early 21st century): If Sir Don Bradman was the best batsman ever to grace the cricket field, Sir Garfield Sobers was the best overall cricketer.

EW Swanton writing in 1962: As to the relative greatness of WG, Jack Hobbs and Don Bradman it is of course fruitless to argue: wickets, bowling, environment, atmosphere - all have varied. It is sufficient to say that each was supreme in his own day.



This was the general view of cricket historians up to that time, who tended to agree on most things. Some also placed Trumper in the same high bracket as a batsman, claiming he was the best of all on a bad wicket. When Sobers matured, he was added to the pantheon as a cricketer, but not necessarily purely as a batsman.



Since then Bradman and Sobers have pulled away from the others in perception as cricketers, with the Australian out in front as a batsman. This was confirmed in the Wisden Top 100 exercise at the turn of the century.

In terms of contemporary reputation and perceived mastery (not simply Test numbers) during the past fifty years or so, perhaps the leading batsmen have been Barry Richards, Viv Richards, Lara and Tendulkar. Viv and Tendulkar maybe slightly ahead.

 

[sayon basak]

Yeah, ball tampering and home umpires go a long way I imagine.

In any event.





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“Trumper stands alone as the best batsman of all time.”- Hugh Trumble.

Cardus wrote of Vic: "Trumper will always remain the greatest batsman that ever lived."

Jack Fingleton, who played alongside Bradman and saw him at close quarters, declared that Trumper was the greatest batsman of all time.

Kippax often said within earshot of Bradman that Trumper was undoubtedly the greatest batsman of all time.

18 of Victor’s peers offered a verdict – Monty Noble, Clem Hill, Hanson Carter, Vernon Ransford, Charlie Macartney, James Kelly, Warwick Armstrong, Joe Darling, Hugh Trumble, Jack Ryder, Herbie Collins, Hunter Hendry, Arthur Mailey, Len Braund, Wilfred Rhodes, Francis Jackson, Percy Perrin and Kumar Ranjitsinhji – and of this group only one considered Don Bradman superior (Rhodes).

 

[capt_Luffy]

“Trumper stands alone as the best batsman of all time.”- Hugh Trumble.

Cardus wrote of Vic: "Trumper will always remain the greatest batsman that ever lived."

Jack Fingleton, who played alongside Bradman and saw him at close quarters, declared that Trumper was the greatest batsman of all time.

Kippax often said within earshot of Bradman that Trumper was undoubtedly the greatest batsman of all time.

18 of Victor’s peers offered a verdict – Monty Noble, Clem Hill, Hanson Carter, Vernon Ransford, Charlie Macartney, James Kelly, Warwick Armstrong, Joe Darling, Hugh Trumble, Jack Ryder, Herbie Collins, Hunter Hendry, Arthur Mailey, Len Braund, Wilfred Rhodes, Francis Jackson, Percy Perrin and Kumar Ranjitsinhji – and of this group only one considered Don Bradman superior (Rhodes).

Quite the stacked line-up there huh

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Yeah, ball tampering and home umpires go a long way I imagine.

In any event.





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I too think Sobers is the Greatest cricketer.
Its your theory of huge quality difference between ATG and ATVG and secondary skill is relatively irrelevant makes things difficult for Sobers when comparing with Bradman.

 

[kyear2]

No this is what happens when you dont engage.

First off, there's a difference in not engaging, and not answering questions the way someone prefers.

But you're a child and don't know the difference.

But I'll engage.

Sobers simply wasn't good enough to shine Bradmans boots. It's ok though. No other cricketer was. Except maybe Imran in the 80s hahaha

You're the peer ratings guy and the Imran expert.

Give me 3 batsmen that called Imran the best bowler they ever faced.

He was averaging 12 at home, surely there's a single batsman from India, the Caribbean, Australia or England (he was based in England and played extensively there in county cricket) rated him as the very best they've faced?

An article, interview, a list?

 

[subshakerz]

First off, there's a difference in not engaging, and not answering questions the way someone prefers.

But you're a child and don't know the difference.

But I'll engage.

No you literally weren't responding to my point on Kapil.

You're the peer ratings guy and the Imran expert.

Give me 3 batsmen that called Imran the best bowler they ever faced.

He was averaging 12 at home, surely there's a single batsman from India, the Caribbean, Australia or England (he was based in England and played extensively there in county cricket) rated him as the very best they've faced?

An article, interview, a list?

We are talking as a cricketer. Majority consider Imran best AR of the era. And a great captain.

Btw the 80s Imran closest to Bradman thing isn't my opinion it's Jarrod.

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[Thala_0710]

also works unironically well for Bradman.

Who'd you have ahead as of now, Root or Bumrah?

 

[Coronis]

“Trumper stands alone as the best batsman of all time.”- Hugh Trumble.

Cardus wrote of Vic: "Trumper will always remain the greatest batsman that ever lived."

Jack Fingleton, who played alongside Bradman and saw him at close quarters, declared that Trumper was the greatest batsman of all time.

Kippax often said within earshot of Bradman that Trumper was undoubtedly the greatest batsman of all time.

18 of Victor’s peers offered a verdict – Monty Noble, Clem Hill, Hanson Carter, Vernon Ransford, Charlie Macartney, James Kelly, Warwick Armstrong, Joe Darling, Hugh Trumble, Jack Ryder, Herbie Collins, Hunter Hendry, Arthur Mailey, Len Braund, Wilfred Rhodes, Francis Jackson, Percy Perrin and Kumar Ranjitsinhji – and of this group only one considered Don Bradman superior (Rhodes).

Another W for Rhodes and Yorkshire.

Yeah, ball tampering and home umpires go a long way I imagine.

In any event.





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Yes I often hear how Sobers is even more famous than Bradman.

 

[sayon basak]

Another W for Rhodes and Yorkshire.



Yes I often hear how Sobers is even more famous than Bradman.

Trumper shared his Test debut with another great of the era, Wilfred Rhodes. Ages later when Rhodes was asked about the greatest batsman who he came up against, he responded, “There was only one. Victor Trumper.”

 

[Coronis]

Trumper shared his Test debut with another great of the era, Wilfred Rhodes. Ages later when Rhodes was asked about the greatest batsman who he came up against, he responded, “There was only one. Victor Trumper.”

tbf, he only played against Bradman twice that I’m aware of, both on the 1930 tour. First match, (Grimmett’s 10/37 came in the first innings here as he demolished Yorkshire), Ponsford scored 121 and Bradman 78. Second match Bradman was out for 1. One could definitely argue he came up against Trumper in more impressive form and Trumper would’ve almost certainly had better performances against Rhodes, prime Rhodes at that, not 50 year old Rhodes.