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All-Time World XIs: Discussion Thread

subshakerz

subshakerz

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capt_Luffy said:
A few are. But the main problem of jumping ahead honestly is you miss out a bunch of Great players ahead as well. Well, it worked out nicely for you in the previous one, but just let me have this W
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At this point Hammond, Smith, Lara, Murali all have well over 10 point leads. I don't think either is remotely close to being overtaken.
 
Johan

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
kyear2 said:
Sunny no issue with at all, but we've elevated Sutcliffe to a ranking which he didn't even enjoy when he played or even after retirement.
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Sunny didn't have a reputation much different than Sutcliffe either, it's just one revision you take offense and other you're fine letting slide.
 
kyear2

kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
subshakerz said:
@kyear2 wouldn't you agree that having Hammond drastically reduces the need for Kallis and even if you don't want Miller, you might as well vote the next best bat like Headley in the top 6?
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No, because from some of the "research" I've been doing, 6 bowlers are employed more often than one would imagine.
Especially in tight contests.
 
kyear2

kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
subshakerz said:
Thala. I would ask you reconsider Kallis and go for a pure better batter if not Miller.

You already have Hammond bowling and you admitted Kallis is a bad fit at no.6.
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You spike about me and Hadlee, but you're actively campaigning against Kallis.

Hammond is more of a 6th bowler than a 5th option and the volumes required.

And it's easier to drop down than to go up the order, and Kallis was adaptable when he wanted to be.
 
kyear2

kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
Al Salvador said:
Early days but I think I will definitely vote for Sanga as keeper bat and Miller in the team. Improves both batting and bowling so much. And sanga is a proven keeper against murali, so that shouldn't be the problem. He was very good keeper to pace too. Miller was much better batsman than Knott and much better bowler than Kallis. Complements other 3 seamers so well,just a different variety with short spell of hostile short pitch bowling.i wonder how many are seeing this from that angle. @capt_Luffy @subshakerz @Johan @Thala_0710
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Sanga was a decent keeper, I think we've forgotten this is an AT XI, the 2nd team at that. Sanga has never shown the capability to stand up to a medium pacer, Knott meanwhile was a master to Underwood.

The proposed move, weakens the top order, even with Sanga, because with the gloves he's not touching Kallis's production.

It weakens the keeping, that not disputable.

And all for 10 overs that Miller might get with the old ball.

And why, because Subz doesn't want Kallis in the 2nd team, presumably with Imran?

Seriously now.
 
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Al Salvador

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
kyear2 said:
Sanga was a decent keeper, I think we've forgotten this is an AT XI, the 2nd team at that. Sanga has never shown the capability to stand up to a medium pacer, Knott meanwhile was a master to Underwood.

The proposed move, weakens the top order, even with Sanga, because with the gloves he's not touching Kallis's production.

It weakens the keeping, that not disputable.

And all for 10 overs that Miller might get with the old ball.

And why, because Subz doesn't want Kallis in the 2nd team, presumably with Imran?

Seriously now.
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I'm going to have 3 proper middle order batsman, Sanga and Miller.

Kallis and Knott at 6 and 7 is inferior option to Sanga and Miller. Sanga's batting production as keeper bat was affected by him batting at 3, he will bat 6 in this team.
 
Johan

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
kyear2 said:
Sanga was a decent keeper, I think we've forgotten this is an AT XI, the 2nd team at that. Sanga has never shown the capability to stand up to a medium pacer, Knott meanwhile was a master to Underwood.
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Didn't even Dhruv Jurel and Jamie Smith do that last game to Akash Deep and Chris Woakes respectively? though I will admit Barnes would be much tougher to keep to than 2025 Chris Woakes.
 
kyear2

kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
Johan said:
Sunny didn't have a reputation much different than Sutcliffe either, it's just one revision you take offense and other you're fine letting slide.
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No, I acknowledge it with Sunny as well.

But regardless, outside of the obvious, he's still the 3rd best opener ever.

Sutcliffe has never quite been regarded at that level.
 
Coronis

Coronis

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Jeez. This thread has gone through many stages already. Discussion of the players being picked, absolute utter trash, discussion of the players being picked, pressuring others who to vote for in the future to suit one person’s agenda, who knows what will come next.

Last few pages of discussion would’ve been if L&L’s ranking threads had been filled with copypastas from comparison threads during each vote.
 
Johan

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
kyear2 said:
No, I acknowledge it with Sunny as well.

But regardless, outside of the obvious, he's still the 3rd best opener ever.

Sutcliffe has never quite been regarded at that level.
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You and I both know there are quite a bit of people from his era who would not agree with that statement.
 
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