DrWolverine
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Greg Chappell vs Fred Trueman
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Johan
Hall of Fame Member
Chappell has the same issues as Trueman (2/3rds at home, relatively modest records in relevant overseas countries) that convineantly get ignored because he has a nice moustache or something, so on the account of more home dominance and being a frontline pacer, Trueman would beat the dogshit out of WSC-less Chappell. WSC-Boost Chappell is close though but still Trueman due to the 1963-64 Windies series.
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
Greg is really overrated....... Literally everything you can criticise Trueman for, Greg had it worse. And above it, he also had a fairly Short career, while Trueman played on and on.
DrWolverine
International Captain
Fred Trueman’s memorable away performances
1960 : 5 Tests. 21 wkts @ 26 in WestIndies.
1962 : 5 Tests. 20 wkts @ 26 in Australia.
1963 : 2 Tests. 14 wkts @ 11 in NewZealand.
Greg Chappell’s memorable away performances.
1972 : 5 Tests. 437 runs @ 48 in England.
1973 : 5 Tests. 342 runs @ 49 in WestIndies.
1974 : 3 Tests. 449 runs @ 90 in NewZealand.
1979 : 3 Tests. 381 runs @ 76 in Pakistan.
1982 : 3 Tests. 235 runs @ 75 in NewZealand.
Greg’s best performance was in the 1978 WSC in WestIndies where he scored 620 against the likes of Andy Roberts, Michael Holding and Colin Croft.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
The Highlighted aren't as good as the stats imply they are or just straight up don't matter, Like Greg averages 40 in New Zealand outside of one road, was average in Pakistan on wickets that could have results, averages 40 in english Ashes to Trueman's 26 in Australia and Trueman's 1960 WI blows away Greg's 1973 West Indies.
Regardless, I think the majority of the forum doesn't count WSC, in my thread this was the result, the vast majority think that they are equivalent to first class records.
Should World Series Cricket records be added to Test records or First Class records?
I think most Cricket fans are aware of Kerry Packer's world series Cricket, and how all the guys who played in it imply it was some of the toughest Cricket they ever played. While many have pointed out how general level of toughness is never enough for something to be considered equivalent to...
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And if First Class Records from Chappell are to be mentioned, they would also be mentioned for Trueman and at that point it'd become a complete mess, Trueman for example performed well in India against very strong batting lineups in FC games, should we bring that up?
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PlayerComparisons
International Captain
That series was insane. It had Garner too iirc?
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
Garner wasn't quite fully Garner at that point, but yes he was there.
It was a ridiculous performance.
subshakerz
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Greg has ATG away series, Trueman has none
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
He doesn't, not in Test Cricket.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
He wasn't selected consistently for home games either, and as we all know in good faith, it wasn't for Cricketing reasons.
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
I could be wrong, but wasn't it you that defended some of Hutton's decisions when it came to over season tours?
May be Peterhrt, but yeah recall reading a defence for same.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
In Hutton's book, he claims he did favour Trueman for 1954-55 Ashes eventually, well after the West Indies tour, but the decision was overturned by the MCC who did not like his behaviour in West Indies. Can't really do anything there.
There's really no reason he should've been dropped at home in 1956 Ashes or any time he was dropped anywhere after 1957.
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
One of many players I've asked former players about. One of the comments that stands out was, he wasn't especially dominant or even as fluent as some portray, but he was an excellent batsman who would be knocking it around and you would look up and he was 50.
PlayerComparisons
International Captain
He looks like a very complete player
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
He was a great player but that does not contradict what I said.