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*Official* Australia Tour of West Indies 2025

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WICFan

First Class Debutant
Silver Silva said:
Honestly I think WI need to follow England's bazball template of playing to entertain , right now this current way of playing is not achieving anything.
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Yeah, but there is also some brainless batting going on with the West Indies.

Braithwaite & Campbell wouldn't give you much confidence regardless of the tactics.

The rest of the top 6 are all playing white-ball formats.
 
Silver Silva

Silver Silva

International Vice-Captain
WICFan said:
Yeah, but there is also some brainless batting going on with the West Indies.

Braithwaite & Campbell wouldn't give you much confidence regardless of the tactics.

The rest of the top 6 are all playing white-ball formats.
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Yes true , but it's different..Bazball is basically committing to playing aggressively and that vision is shared with the whole team who buys into that, like right now you can have white ball players in the WI team but they won't play the same way they do in white ball cricket because the instruction is not clear on what to do ..


For example take Ben Duckett of England he gave an excellent insight on the mentality of a player who enters Test cricket as someone naturally attacking ..


When Duckett first started Tests in 2016 long before Bazball cricket was a thing, he did not try to score at the pace he does now , in the 4 tests he played in 2016 his Test SR was 57 ...

Duckett talked about when he was struggling in India during 2016 he would go down the other end and ask Cook for advice , and Cook would be like don't try and do anything fancy protect your wicket (Easier said than done against Ashwin !) , Duckett felt that conservative nature didn't help his game at all , then he was picked again in a different environment where he could score freely and the results were totally different, I believe there are many players like that in the Windies , who need to buy into a different way of playing, what is there to lose ?
 
govinda indian fan

govinda indian fan

International Debutant
Silver Silva said:
Yes true , but it's different..Bazball is basically committing to playing aggressively and that vision is shared with the whole team who buys into that, like right now you can have white ball players in the WI team but they won't play the same way they do in white ball cricket because the instruction is not clear on what to do ..


For example take Ben Duckett of England he gave an excellent insight on the mentality of a player who enters Test cricket as someone naturally attacking ..


When Duckett first started Tests in 2016 long before Bazball cricket was a thing, he did not try to score at the pace he does now , in the 4 tests he played in 2016 his Test SR was 57 ...

Duckett talked about when he was struggling in India during 2016 he would go down the other end and ask Cook for advice , and Cook would be like don't try and do anything fancy protect your wicket (Easier said than done against Ashwin !) , Duckett felt that conservative nature didn't help his game at all , then he was picked again in a different environment where he could score freely and the results were totally different, I believe there are many players like that in the Windies , who need to buy into a different way of playing, what is there to lose ?
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Good point
 
Beamer

Beamer

International Captain
Silver Silva said:
Yes true , but it's different..Bazball is basically committing to playing aggressively and that vision is shared with the whole team who buys into that, like right now you can have white ball players in the WI team but they won't play the same way they do in white ball cricket because the instruction is not clear on what to do ..


For example take Ben Duckett of England he gave an excellent insight on the mentality of a player who enters Test cricket as someone naturally attacking ..


When Duckett first started Tests in 2016 long before Bazball cricket was a thing, he did not try to score at the pace he does now , in the 4 tests he played in 2016 his Test SR was 57 ...

Duckett talked about when he was struggling in India during 2016 he would go down the other end and ask Cook for advice , and Cook would be like don't try and do anything fancy protect your wicket (Easier said than done against Ashwin !) , Duckett felt that conservative nature didn't help his game at all , then he was picked again in a different environment where he could score freely and the results were totally different, I believe there are many players like that in the Windies , who need to buy into a different way of playing, what is there to lose ?
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Two thoughts. My first is to mostly agree with you. For example, I would like to see Kraigg dropped and Evin Lewis or even Sherfane Rutherford replace him with a more proactive approach.

I'd also like to mix that with proper batsmanship. I would play Kevlon Anderson at 3 instead of Carty, for example. He bats at a nice tempo for test cricket.

However, my second thought is that our own version of bazball won't work on pitches like Barbados and Grenada. There has to be more balance between bat and ball. Otherwise it just doesn't matter what our batting approach is, we won't score runs two innings in a row against this Aussie attack.
 
TT Boy

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
The issue when comparing England's approach to the Windies is purely about quality and depth. It's just not an apples-to-apples comparison.

Look at England: You've got guys like Duckett averaging 40+ in first-class cricket with 30 centuries. Root's an all-time great, and then you have exceptional players like Brook and Jamie Smith is coming through, both with solid first-class numbers themselves.

Then you look at the West Indies batsmen currently in the side and on the fringes. Many are struggling to even average 30 domestically, and some have only a handful of first-class hundreds in their entire careers. Crawley is probably the only English batsman who's statistically comparable to some of them in terms of first-class record, and his Test record definitely reflects that. You can ask a middling batsman to hit, but they're still a middling batsman. That's the fundamental difference.
 
Beamer

Beamer

International Captain
TT Boy said:
The issue when comparing England's approach to the Windies is purely about quality and depth. It's just not an apples-to-apples comparison.

Look at England: You've got guys like Duckett averaging 40+ in first-class cricket with 30 centuries. Root's an all-time great, and then you have exceptional players like Brook and Jamie Smith is coming through, both with solid first-class numbers themselves.

Then you look at the West Indies batsmen currently in the side and on the fringes. Many are struggling to even average 30 domestically, and some have only a handful of first-class hundreds in their entire careers. Crawley is probably the only English batsman who's statistically comparable to some of them in terms of first-class record, and his Test record definitely reflects that. You can ask a middling batsman to hit, but they're still a middling batsman. That's the fundamental difference.
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Fully agreed. That is why we have to experiment IMHO, because we do not have many options.

Anderson is comparable though, averaging in the high 40s. A record like that in our conditions, with our trigger happy umpires, doesn't happen often, hence why I think he should be playing.
 
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WICFan

First Class Debutant
Beamer said:
Fully agreed. That is why we have to experiment IMHO, because we do not have many options.

Anderson is comparable though, averaging in the high 40s. A record like that in our conditions, with our trigger happy umpires, doesn't happen often, hence why I think he should be playing.
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Who opens the batting?
 
Beamer

Beamer

International Captain
WICFan said:
Who opens the batting?
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Tbh we have zero options. I've got nothing that is logical or based on performance.

In this squad, you replace Kraigg with Louis.

If you can pick from outside of this squad, I'd throw a Hail Mary and ask Rutherford to open in place of Kraigg. But I fully recognise that is a real left field option. Nothing is ideal.
 
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