Bumrah in 2019 vs now

[duckettstars123]

I watched Bumrah in the first Test. Right now he seems to bowl really full and doesn't really generate zip off the wicket like in 2019.
When he returned in 2020 he already had lost some zip off the wicket but still continued to hit the deck often.

It would be interesting to compare Bumrah in IPL and 1st test in 2025 vs Bumrah in IPL 2019 and WC 2019. Back in IPL 2019 final, I noted he never even attempted a yorker and simply spammed hard length deliveries that appeared to rise and generate extra bounce and zip, and that appeared sufficient to bowl economically.
Whereas in IPL 2025 he was excessively reliant on the yorker and never seemed to generate extra bounce like he used to.

Put simply, Bumrah in 2025 bowls more like Starc whereas in 2019 he used to bowl in a very unusual way, like a Cummins or an Ambrose.

 

[Gob]

Poo

 

[Spark]

I can only think this is literally the first time you've watched Bumrah since 2020 if you think he "doesn't really generate zip off the wicket". If you prepare a pudding as dead and lifeless with the old ball as what England are routinely these days, then yeah he's not gonna get as much bounce and seam movement.

 

[Johan]

I can only think this is literally the first time you've watched Bumrah since 2020 if you think he "doesn't really generate zip off the wicket". If you prepare a pudding as dead and lifeless with the old ball as what England are routinely these days, then yeah he's not gonna get as much bounce and seam movement.

the pitch was fine and he got enough zip on the wicket, he just got blocked out, that's a skill issue for him. A mixture of good batting, no support and not the best bowling lines.

 

[Coronis]

the pitch was fine and he got enough zip on the wicket, he just got blocked out, that's a skill issue for him. A mixture of good batting, no support and not the best bowling lines.

So did England just have bad bowlers?

 

[Johan]

So did England just have bad bowlers?

Yeah

 

[TheJediBrah]

Didn't expect English delusion to feature so early in this thread but I'm here for it

 

[Spark]

the pitch was fine and he got enough zip on the wicket, he just got blocked out, that's a skill issue for him. A mixture of good batting, no support and not the best bowling lines.

Sorry I couldn't read your post, I was too distracted by the sight of zero close in fielders and five boundary riders as a field set by Ben Stokes.

 

[duckettstars123]

i think Bumrah in 2019 was at his physical peak. Probably why he relied on hard lengths in IPL 2019.

 

[Johan]

Sorry I couldn't read your post, I was too distracted by the sight of zero close in fielders and five boundary riders as a field set by Ben Stokes.

bowlers skill issue or no?

 

[Spark]

bowlers skill issue or no?

If it affects every single bowler on both teams then there's probably a single common factor that drives it, such as, you know, the pitch.

And I did watch enough of that game to know that that thing was extremely dead and lifeless once the ball got at all old.

 

[Johan]

If it affects every single bowler on both teams then there's probably a single common factor that drives it, such as, you know, the pitch.

And I did watch enough of that game to know that that thing was extremely dead and lifeless once the ball got at all old.

More so none of them are really good, and I do remember the ball moving, Woakes and Carse bowled well in the second innings and England would have been easily rolled out under 400 had Indian known how to catch. Not all that flat, definitely not enough to pretend Bumrah's ineffectiveness was the resultant entirely of the pitch.

 

[Coronis]

More so none of them are really good, and I do remember the ball moving, Woakes and Carse bowled well in the second innings and England would have been easily rolled out under 400 had Indian known how to catch. Not all that flat, definitely not enough to pretend Bumrah's ineffectiveness was the resultant entirely of the pitch.

God now Bumrah glazers will be doing what Wasim glazers do.

 

[Johan]

God now Bumrah glazers will be doing what Wasim glazers do.

Eh, I don't think they can, iirc since 2024 or smth India has the highest catching efficiency in the world, with 82%. Jaiswal is the reason it's not 100% I reckon, dropped 4 catches last game.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Eh, I don't think they can, iirc since 2024 or smth India has the highest catching efficiency in the world, with 82%. Jaiswal is the reason it's not 100% I reckon, dropped 4 catches last game.

This sounds fake.

 

[Coronis]

This sounds fake.

Charles Davis did a thing on this, for each year back to 2016, going through ball by ball commentary on cricinfo.

2024 stats (% of catches missed)

Zimbabwe 33%
New Zealand 28%
West Indies 27%
Bangladesh 26%
Pakistan 26%
India 24%
England 22%
South Africa 21%
Sri Lanka 20%
Australia 18%

Funny to see New Zealand so inefficient, since they actually have the best average over all those years.

Average (2016-2024)

Zimbabwe 30.2%
Bangladesh 29.6%
Afghanistan 29.4%
West Indies 24.9%
Sri Lanka 24.8%
Ireland 24.2%
England 24.2%
India 23.9%
Australia 23.8%
Pakistan 23.7%
South Africa 22.1%
New Zealand 21.5%

The shocker for this one is Pakistan imo

 

[Thala_0710]

Charles Davis did a thing on this, for each year back to 2016, going through ball by ball commentary on cricinfo.

2024 stats (% of catches missed)

Zimbabwe 33%
New Zealand 28%
West Indies 27%
Bangladesh 26%
Pakistan 26%
India 24%
England 22%
South Africa 21%
Sri Lanka 20%
Australia 18%

Funny to see New Zealand so inefficient, since they actually have the best average over all those years.

Average (2016-2024)

Zimbabwe 30.2%
Bangladesh 29.6%
Afghanistan 29.4%
West Indies 24.9%
Sri Lanka 24.8%
Ireland 24.2%
England 24.2%
India 23.9%
Australia 23.8%
Pakistan 23.7%
South Africa 22.1%
New Zealand 21.5%

The shocker for this one is Pakistan imo

Their bowlers are not good enough to generate edges in the slips. So they only get caught behinds and skiers mostly

 

[centurymaker]

Good fielding sides turn non-chances into chances. So a missed catch in such scenario is not really a missed catch.. Bad fielding sides turn some chances into non-chances, including sometimes not even attempting. These figures don't incorporate these things, so they don't give a true picture.

 

[shortpitched713]

Charles Davis did a thing on this, for each year back to 2016, going through ball by ball commentary on cricinfo.

2024 stats (% of catches missed)

Zimbabwe 33%
New Zealand 28%
West Indies 27%
Bangladesh 26%
Pakistan 26%
India 24%
England 22%
South Africa 21%
Sri Lanka 20%
Australia 18%

Funny to see New Zealand so inefficient, since they actually have the best average over all those years.

Average (2016-2024)

Zimbabwe 30.2%
Bangladesh 29.6%
Afghanistan 29.4%
West Indies 24.9%
Sri Lanka 24.8%
Ireland 24.2%
England 24.2%
India 23.9%
Australia 23.8%
Pakistan 23.7%
South Africa 22.1%
New Zealand 21.5%

The shocker for this one is Pakistan imo

You know that one dude who said there are three kinds of lies? This must be one of them.