AB De Villiers vs Virat Kohli

[sayon basak]

Williamson and Root are both over 49 in ODIs. Anyone else close?

Among current players? Duckett, Rahul, Hope, Carty.

 

[subshakerz]

The more time goes by the higher I would like to rate ABD.

However I think Kohli is marginally better in all formats.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Among current players? Duckett, Rahul, Hope, Carty.

Sorry, I meant close to averaging over 50 in both tests and ODIs.

 

[sayon basak]

Sorry, I meant close to averaging over 50 in both tests and ODIs.

Duckett will be there one day.

 

[subshakerz]

AB is better in all three tbh

He isn't better in ODIs.

Tests it's a tossup. Kohli with a better peak but steeper decline where ABD was downhill skiing entirely in an easy batting era.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Duckett will be there one day.

Nissanka more likely imo

 

[Johan]

Tests it's a tossup. Kohli with a better peak but steeper decline where ABD was downhill skiing entirely in an easy batting era.

AB doesn't have as big of a weakness as Virat in Tests

 

[subshakerz]

AB doesn't have as big of a weakness as Virat in Tests

Sure. In terms of pure ability, ABD is better than Kohli and better than any bat I can think of aside from Sachin and Viv.

But in terms of actual record, Kohli has better career highlights. ABD may have a cleaner record but it's also a bit soft which makes their difference close enough to be a tossup.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

He isn't better in ODIs.

Tests it's a tossup. Kohli with a better peak but steeper decline where ABD was downhill skiing entirely in an easy batting era.

AB easily better in ODIs.

 

[Johan]

Sure. In terms of pure ability, ABD is better than Kohli and better than any bat I can think of aside from Sachin and Viv.

But in terms of actual record, Kohli has better career highlights. ABD may have a cleaner record but it's also a bit soft which makes their difference close enough to be a tossup.

Nah AB is better

 

[subshakerz]

AB easily better in ODIs.

By what measure? Kohli batted up and has an all star WC under his belt.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

By what measure? Kohli batted up and has an all star WC under his belt.

Similar average ( era adjusted )
Far better SR
Better WC performances

Kohli played 10 tournament finals, averaged 20ish with only 1 fifty.

Kohli peak was in 2010s, but if you check stats, AB numbers were far superior during that period.

Kohli failed in all the WCs he played, last WC he was scoring very slowly and can be counted as a decent performance for batters like Dravid but not for an ATG.

 

[subshakerz]

Similar average ( era adjusted )
Far better SR
Better WC performances

Kohli played 10 tournament finals, averaged 20ish with only 1 fifty.

Kohli peak was in 2010s, but if you check stats, AB numbers were far superior during that period.

Kohli failed in all the WCs he played, last WC he was scoring very slowly and can be counted as a decent performance for batters like Dravid but not for an ATG.

How was ABD in tournament finals?

And if you think Kohli in WC 2023 counts against him, don't know what to say.

 

[DrWolverine]

ABD
2005-2011 : 115 inn. 4523 runs @ 45. SR of 91
2012-2018 : 103 inn. 5054 runs @ 63. SR of 111.

Virat
2008-2015 : 158 inn. 6831 runs @ 50. SR of 90.
2016-Now : 132 inn. 7350 runs @ 67. SR of 97.

 

[DrWolverine]

ABD was simply on another level during the second half of his one day career. An average of 63 and strike rate of 111 is just unparalleled.

 

[Johan]

Sure. In terms of pure ability, ABD is better than Kohli and better than any bat I can think of aside from Sachin and Viv.

But in terms of actual record, Kohli has better career highlights. ABD may have a cleaner record but it's also a bit soft which makes their difference close enough to be a tossup.

Villiers was a great test batter for a very long time in comparison to Kohli, Kohli peaked higher but Villiers blows him away in extended brilliance, plus no bunny country for him like Kohli has England, and I think Kohli also made lots of wanker runs at home, De Villiers made wanker runs too but I don't think there's a huge gap in their output of wanker runs.

 

[subshakerz]

Villiers was a great test batter for a very long time in comparison to Kohli, Kohli peaked higher but Villiers blows him away in extended brilliance, plus no bunny country for him like Kohli has England, and I think Kohli also made lots of wanker runs at home, De Villiers made wanker runs too but I don't think there's a huge gap in their output of wanker runs.

Yeah Kohli peaked higher but ABD was longer.

No bunny country for ABD sure.

Kohli at home wasn't easy runs at all.

ABD batted most of his entire career in an easier position at 5/6 after a much stronger lineup.

 

[Johan]

Yeah Kohli peaked higher but ABD was longer.

No bunny country for ABD sure.

Kohli at home wasn't easy runs at all.

ABD batted most of his entire career in an easier position at 5/6 after a much stronger lineup.

I generally think Kohli's home average significantly flatters him, and his away average significantly holds him back, he was a bit of a FTB at him but he played great knocks away, a very weird case. Though, Kohli's big home serieses are definitely aided by non competitive sides (2017 Sri Lanka) or pitches uber dead for pace bowling (2016 England), he wasn't churning huge output on the difficult wickets.

 

[subshakerz]

ABD was simply on another level during the second half of his one day career. An average of 63 and strike rate of 111 is just unparalleled.

Kohli averaged more in his career second half.

Kohli being the greatest chaser ever should give him the edge over ABD.

 

[subshakerz]

I generally think Kohli's home average significantly flatters him, and his away average significantly holds him back, he was a bit of a FTB at him but he played great knocks away, a very weird case. Though, Kohli's big home serieses are definitely aided by non competitive sides (2017 Sri Lanka) or pitches uber dead for pace bowling (2016 England), he wasn't churning huge output on the difficult wickets.

Again, the main issue with ABD is that he had a big cushion of batting at 5/6 after Smith, Kallis, and Amla and casually smacking tired attacks. To me that counteracts Kohli at home.