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England's greatest test captain

Who is England's greatest test captain?

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Johan

Johan

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alright I think this went way off the rails, anyway I know Jardine is the best but voted Hutton anyway
 
kyear2

kyear2

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Johan said:
Douglas Jardine
Len Hutton

Mike Brearley was a great tactician but I don't think he inspired his team the same way Jardine and Hutton did, nor did he develope Bodyline like Jardine, or led to the end of gentleman classification like Hutton
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Again, isn't tactician the most important aspect of captaincy though?

I'm sorry, but I've never bought the idea of inspirational captains or "coach clap" from the NFL perspective.

The best tacticians are the best captains (and coaches). If your role is to "inspire", that's less of a skill than a personality trait. Again, just my opinion.

Re the latter claim of the loss of the gentleman classification is an important in country change, like Worrell as the first full time black captain, or being able to unite the team (and boards), something everyone else struggled to do again untill Lloyd.

But does that make them great "drop in" captains? Take them to a county team and they're successful, or is that a very niche accomplishment.

They they are the captain who are tough or quite frankly bullies, and while that works under some scenarios, it wouldn't with everyone.

The transferable skill is being that tactician, so nothing to downplay IMHO.
 
Johan

Johan

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kyear2 said:
Again, isn't tactician the most important aspect of captaincy though?

I'm sorry, but I've never bought the idea of inspirational captains or "coach clap" from the NFL perspective.

The best tacticians are the best captains (and coaches). If your role is to "inspire", that's less of a skill than a personality trait. Again, just my opinion.

Re the latter claim of the loss of the gentleman classification is an important in country change, like Worrell as the first full time black captain, or being able to unite the team (and boards), something everyone else struggled to do again untill Lloyd.

But does that make them great "drop in" captains? Take them to a county team and they're successful, or is that a very niche accomplishment.

They they are the captain who are tough or quite frankly bullies, and while that works under some scenarios, it wouldn't with everyone.

The transferable skill is being that tactician, so nothing to downplay IMHO.
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Impacting the team's morale is, in my opinion, pretty important.

Like, if you look at the last BGT, the Indian team had completely different approach to the game and a way different demeanor under Bumrah and Kohli, while they had a lazy and lousy demeanor under Rohit, who was a very inept Captain as we saw.

You can see this with the England team too, during Root's reign, very often the team hid in a shell and didn't take the initiative, but with Stokes they squeeze almost all of their talent and that has led to far better results for England.

I think Hutton, Jardine and Brearley are all tactically brilliant captains and would get picked for their abilities as tacticians themselves (Hutton for 1954 Ashes, and Brearley in general) but I think the prior two simply had much profound impact on Cricket itself and brought a killer instinct and ruthless to the English team that England lacks to this day, so I would generally favour the prior two
 
Coronis

Coronis

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kyear2 said:
Again, isn't tactician the most important aspect of captaincy though?

I'm sorry, but I've never bought the idea of inspirational captains or "coach clap" from the NFL perspective.

The best tacticians are the best captains (and coaches). If your role is to "inspire", that's less of a skill than a personality trait. Again, just my opinion.

Re the latter claim of the loss of the gentleman classification is an important in country change, like Worrell as the first full time black captain, or being able to unite the team (and boards), something everyone else struggled to do again untill Lloyd.

But does that make them great "drop in" captains? Take them to a county team and they're successful, or is that a very niche accomplishment.

They they are the captain who are tough or quite frankly bullies, and while that works under some scenarios, it wouldn't with everyone.

The transferable skill is being that tactician, so nothing to downplay IMHO.
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Sounds like someone who watches team sports, but hasn’t played team sports.
kyear2 said:
Well yeah.
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Really? You have Stokes > Dev as a bowler?
 
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