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*Official* WTC FINAL Australia vs South Africa 2025

Who will win the final


  • Total voters
    63
  • Poll closed .

cascade

U19 12th Man
Am I right in thinking this Australian team has been kind of dreadful at batting in the third innings for a little while now? Should give SA hope that they just need to get within touching distance to have a real chance here.
 

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
Am I right in thinking this Australian team has been kind of dreadful at batting in the third innings for a little while now? Should give SA hope that they just need to get within touching distance to have a real chance here.
No third innings in SL. Had the 89/7 declared vs india which was just outright slogging to force a result. Also grindy 234 in sydney where marnus got dropped a million times and made 70 + the tail chipped in. 164 in the 1st test vs nz, but the second and fourth innings in that test where 179 and 196, we were also 9-260 in the first innings before that random green+hazlewood partnership, so 164 was probably only slightly below par. No 3rd innings vs the west indies. We did it twice vs pakistan; 233/5 in a game that pakistan made 271 and 89 in, and 262 in a game where pakistan made 264 and 237 around that. Can't be bothered going back before that, and that pakistan series/the ashes is where all our batsmen started struggling more anyway.

I don't think it's been horrible. We've barely done it, and when we have initial inspection indicates we've either been par or slightly below par. If SA get a lead it could worry AUS, but they need a lead for it to mean anything. They are a LONG way from what right now.
 

GoodAreasShane

Cricketer Of The Year
Only was able to watch the middle session and the start of the 3rd session (don't have proime so had to rely on less than legitimate means), so I can't claim to be able to judge anything outside of that accurately, but from what I did see the pitch had a bit in it and Rabada was bowling excellently, so this whole the sky is falling in chat is going too far as usual.

The main reason why I was (and honestly still largely am) supportive of the top 3 in this game is down to having even less faith in any realistic alternatives. Khawaja obviously has credits in the bank, although I do worry that some of his struggles against first Bumrah and now Rabada are a sign of Anno Domini catching up with him, Marnus and his form I have obviously discussed here a bit and this innings changed nothing in my opinion, neither a clear success nor an unmitigated disaster, just somewhere in between. Green is a bit more of a concern however, 3 definitely feels a spot too high with how much of a shaky starter he can be but it is still vastly preferable to someone in Konstas who has less FC tons in his entire career than Green has in his recent Gloucestershire stint alone.

As for Webster, yeah he did look more than a little chancey early on, but that is clearly secondary to actual results, any technical frailties are far less of an issue at 6 in most cases than higher up the order. Also think his bowling might be handy on this deck, no real pace to speak of but his bounce and seam movement could be a handful if he gets his length right
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Honestly dont think going with Smith-Green at 3-4 is a bad option at all. Unless you have picked a specialist top order bat, its always preferable to have your best middle order bat at 3 especially when conditions are spicy and the difference between 3 and 4 going into bat may just be a few balls.
 

GoodAreasShane

Cricketer Of The Year
Honestly dont think going with Smith-Green at 3-4 is a bad option at all. Unless you have picked a specialist top order bat, its always preferable to have your best middle order bat at 3 especially when conditions are spicy and the difference between 3 and 4 going into bat may just be a few balls.
I have been going back and forward on this one a lot. On one hand, I do think Smith is better equipped to bat at 3 than Green by a fair bit, but on the other hand that does seem too much like weakening a strength to strengthen a weakness which as a general rule is not something I particularly like.


Can see both sides of the coin on this one
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
I have been going back and forward on this one a lot. On one hand, I do think Smith is better equipped to bat at 3 than Green by a fair bit, but on the other hand that does seem too much like weakening a strength to strengthen a weakness which as a general rule is not something I particularly like.


Can see both sides of the coin on this one
My take on this is, I understand Smith not opening but if the choice is between batting 3 and 4, and you do not have a specialist top 3 batter available, I would always bump up the better batter.
 

Gob

International Coach
I said this yesterday I think there is a bit of trend now where you try and use guys to blunt the new ball at 3 so your best bat can have it a little easy to go and make a match defining contribution when the things are a little bit easier. Why would root bat at 4 otherwise or Bavuma here. This is of course down to the bowlers friendly conditions we get more often now

That being said, I don't think Green is a guy that you should necessarily use for blunting purposes. I think he could turn in to a genuinely good number 3. He can be as good as say Shane Watson was but with the added ability to go on and make tons
 

Qlder

International Vice-Captain
I said this yesterday I think there is a bit of trend now where you try and use guys to blunt the new ball at 3 so your best bat can have it a little easy to go and make a match defining contribution when the things are a little bit easier. Why would root bat at 4 otherwise or Bavuma here. This is of course down to the bowlers friendly conditions we get more often now
This theory is bizarre imo, you're basically saying pick the worst of your middle order to bat 3 as he's just cannon fodder for #4.

And how did that work out, Green allowed Smith to come in 3 balls later. I wouldn't bat Green at 3 the same reason I wouldn't bat Head at 3 as they are both nervous starters so 1 down can quickly become 2 and side is in trouble
 
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honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
I said this yesterday I think there is a bit of trend now where you try and use guys to blunt the new ball at 3 so your best bat can have it a little easy to go and make a match defining contribution when the things are a little bit easier. Why would root bat at 4 otherwise or Bavuma here. This is of course down to the bowlers friendly conditions we get more often now

That being said, I don't think Green is a guy that you should necessarily use for blunting purposes. I think he could turn in to a genuinely good number 3. He can be as good as say Shane Watson was but with the added ability to go on and make tons
What you said would make sense if you had a McSweeney batting 3 or even a Khawaja. Green is just another MO batter you are pushing up and if that is the case, you better push the one with the best chance of success, which is obviously Smith.
 

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
Well personally, I wouldn't mind seeing this Top 6 in the Ashes. One opener who is too old, another who is just not the player he was and he's not an opener, a 3 and 5 who can be got out cheaply and a 6 who simply cannot be that lucky ever again. It all puts huge pressure on Smith.

England might even win a game!!

As for this match, SA's only chance is a decent first innings lead. That looks unlikely and I can see Aus scoring 400 plus in the 2nd dig and winning easily.
 

TimAngas

State Vice-Captain
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Probably my favourite day of live cricket except maybe the 5th Day of the 2014 Adelaide test match. First innings it felt like very much an SA home crowd and the adoration of Rabada in particular was terrific. Dynamic totally switched and us Australian expats certainly came out of the woodwork later in the evening 😅 . Quality of cricket needs no explanation.
 

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Well personally, I wouldn't mind seeing this Top 6 in the Ashes. One opener who is too old, another who is just not the player he was and he's not an opener, a 3 and 5 who can be got out cheaply and a 6 who simply cannot be that lucky ever again. It all puts huge pressure on Smith.
Huh?
Duckett is only 30, Crawley has never been any good as a player, agree about Pope at 3 getting out cheaply but Brook is a pretty good 5, and Stokes is often lucky. I agree there'll be a lot of pressure on Smith (and he looks to be a promising keeper bat), but wouldn't most of the pressure be on Root?
 

Gob

International Coach
What you said would make sense if you had a McSweeney batting 3 or even a Khawaja. Green is just another MO batter you are pushing up and if that is the case, you better push the one with the best chance of success, which is obviously Smith.
Well Green's preferred position is number 4 and if he is going to be successful there, he can't be completely hopless against the newer ball. As I said, I would like to see him having a run at 3 and not judge that after one innings when he got a pretty useful ball

Overall though they need to find a way to get Konstas in as it makes a massive difference especially on wickets like this where you have someone even making a quick fire 30. Say whatever you like about Warner but he did made a difference in that regard
 

Kraken

International Debutant
if KPat continues on with his end of season shield form before the ashes - he's a big shout for the side imo. I like green, but I don't think we can carry both him and Webster in the same side (unless green bats at 4)
 

Gob

International Coach
Anyway this game is still very even. Verreyne and Bavuma are the keys as I don't rate Beddingham. Any lead would put Aust under severe pressure
 

TimAngas

State Vice-Captain
Crazy to think how different our batting order will look next away Ashes. Hopefully we see e.g. Kellaway, Goodwin. in county cricket next season. Suspect there will be at least one guy out of Patterson, Handscomb, Harris etc. who ends up getting a decent run past the age of 35.
 

Gob

International Coach
if KPat continues on with his end of season shield form before the ashes - he's a big shout for the side imo. I like green, but I don't think we can carry both him and Webster in the same side (unless green bats at 4)
I was thinking maybe he can replace Khawaja. He is certainly too good a player to not to play again and what he is 32? If Smith goes after the Ashes, Green can slot in at 4

Post Smith/Usman top 6

Konstas
Patterson
Marnus
Green
Head
Webster

Hope Smith would go on though
 

Gob

International Coach
Crazy to think how different our batting order will look next away Ashes. Hopefully we see e.g. Kellaway, Goodwin. in county cricket next season. Suspect there will be at least one guy out of Patterson, Handscomb, Harris etc. who ends up getting a decent run past the age of 35.
Those are proven failures though. I'd rather give one of the recent under 19 guys a run
 

govinda indian fan

International Debutant
I was thinking maybe he can replace Khawaja. He is certainly too good a player to not to play again and what he is 32? If Smith goes after the Ashes, Green can slot in at 4

Post Smith/Usman top 6

Konstas
Patterson
Marnus
Green
Head
Webster

Hope Smith would go on though
You want atg like smith to retire Early 😲 🤦‍♂️
 

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