Which series had higher quality of batsmanship

[govinda indian fan]

Viv 1976 vs smith 2019

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Dravid

 

[subshakerz]

Viv had a better attack. Outputwise it's Smith.

 

[Johan]

Viv had a better attack. Outputwise it's Smith.

829 in 7
774 in 7

 

[subshakerz]

829 in 7
774 in 7

I know. But the string of scores of Smith were more impressive. 144, 142, 92, 211, 82, 80, 23.

 

[subshakerz]

829 in 7
774 in 7

Viv technically should have extra points for all his runs scored over any conventional bat just based on scoring rate and intimidation. He can make even smaller innings much more effective on the opposition.

The argument against him not scoring as consistently, while not true anyways, misses this fundamental point.

 

[DrWolverine]

1976 WI vs Eng



2019 Ashes

 

[Johan]

Viv technically should have extra points for all his runs scored over any conventional bat just based on scoring rate and intimidation. He can make even smaller innings much more effective on the opposition.

The argument against him not scoring as consistently, while not true anyways, misses this fundamental point.

I think the serieses are equal but Viv's is greater because he very much impacted English batting philosophy, Gooch, Smith, Thorpe, Lamb etc all would try to imitate him for the rest of their careers.

It was like Larwood's bodyline in a sense, definitely not as impactful but still.

 

[subshakerz]

1976 WI vs Eng
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2019 Ashes
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Yeah fair to rate Smith ahead for this reason, far ahead of other bats.

 

[DrWolverine]

Bowlers

1976 : Underwood(5). Snow(3). Willis(2).

2019 : Broad(5). Archer(4). Leach(4).

 

[Johan]

Leach is a club level bowler.

 

[Johan]

Chris Woakes is actually a far, far bigger factor than Jack Leach, especially in England.

 

[DrWolverine]

Yeah fair to rate Smith ahead for this reason, far ahead of other bats.

Especially his teammates.

 

[DrWolverine]

Leach is a club level bowler.

Just mentioned bowlers who played the most

 

[Thala_0710]

Smith just for me

 

[subshakerz]

Bowlers

1976 : Underwood(5). Snow(3). Willis(2).

2019 : Broad(5). Archer(4). Leach(4).

England was very much a mid level attack albeit on slightly better pitches.

 

[DrWolverine]

England was very much a mid level attack albeit on slightly better pitches.

Which England? Both?

 

[subshakerz]

Which England? Both?

2019

 

[sayon basak]

Which England? Both?

Yeah, Underwood+Willis+Snow is a mid attack. You'd need to be something to guess that.

 

[DrWolverine]

Snow’s last series.
Willis played only 2 games.
Chris Old played 2 games.
Mike Hendrick played 2 games.
Underwood & Greig played all 5 games.
A mid attack.