Lance Gibbs vs Anil Kumble

[BazBall21]

Gibbs

 

[capt_Luffy]

impossible to say, also it's kinda like saying if Kumble played all the games in 1990 England his average would be higher, maybe true but not what happened so who cares.

Kumble was probably more challenged away overall but Gibbs was significantly more challenged at home, overall, I think Gibbs was the more challenged spinner, and his numbers away are superior by a long, long shot.

not against spin, India's batting completely neutralised Warne and Murali on their home wickets, and Kumble tanked in Sri Lanka in a humiliating manner.

I brought the FC average to show that he most likely had really.

Gibbs was more challenged at Home but so was Kumble away imho. Gibbs got significantly more suitable conditions everywhere they both toured. SL is a very valid criticism for Kumble though.

 

[Johan]

It isn't horror. It's just sick to see the hoops being jumped through to prop up a discount version of Jadeja.

It's indeed sickening to see people big up someone like Anil Kumble, the two buck variant of Mark Ealham sadly.

 

[Johan]

I brought the FC average to show that he most likely had really.

Gibbs was more challenged at Home but so was Kumble away imho. Gibbs got significantly more suitable conditions everywhere they both toured. SL is a very valid criticism for Kumble though.

If he averaged 38 then he wouldn't have his average raised by 2 points.

I would have to check the numbers for it, but Gibbs did better by enough of a margin that I don't think that it would matter, it's 28 vs 38 (minus minnows). Gibbs toured England often with the pedigree of an ATG paceman, especially 1963 and 1966 England are ATG tours

 

[capt_Luffy]

If he averaged 38 then he wouldn't have his average raised by 2 points.

I would have to check the numbers for it, but Gibbs did better by enough of a margin that I don't think that it would matter, it's 28 vs 38 (minus minnows). Gibbs toured Australia and England often with the pedigree of an ATG paceman.

I mean, I agree Kumble had his fair share of failures away but he had his share of success too. I don't really feel his average is a fair representation here really. For eg, his average in Australia is practically the same as his overall away average, and I consider him the best touring spinner in Australia since Peel.

 

[Xix2565]

It's indeed sickening to see people big up someone like Anil Kumble, the two buck variant of Mark Ealham sadly.

Your cute English cricket references only highlights that you don't care about obvious greatness.

 

[Johan]

I mean, I agree Kumble had his fair share of failures away but he had his share of success too. I don't really feel his average is a fair representation here really. For eg, his average in Australia is practically the same as his overall away average, and I consider him the best touring spinner in Australia since Peel.

I don't think anybody said that he's as bad as 38 avg away but I don't think he's particularly close to Gibbs away from home

 

[Johan]

Your cute English cricket references only highlights that you don't care about obvious greatness.

Hey you're the one dismissing Gibbs for Kumble, clearly you have a fetish for mediocrity and an allergy toward greatness.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I don't think anybody said that he's as bad as 38 avg away but I don't think he's particularly close to Gibbs away from home

Which I disagree with. He is better in Australia and was pretty good overall in SA and WI. One Good Series in Pakistan, one Poor. A single alright one in NZ. His away record is only bad in England and SL, while for Gibbs it's in NZ (in true Carribbean fashion).

 

[Xix2565]

Hey you're the one dismissing Gibbs for Kumble, clearly you have a fetish for mediocrity and an allergy toward greatness.

Kumble is great. Gibbs isn't. You just hate to admit it. It's the same thing you do when confronted with the idea of progress/development in cricket leading to higher standards over time, you turn it into a spam machine full of hyperbole and straw men to whine about.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Kumble is great. Gibbs isn't. You just hate to admit it. It's the same thing you do when confronted with the idea of progress/development in cricket leading to higher standards over time, you turn it into a spam machine full of hyperbole and straw men to whine about.

I am Sorry, but it's unadulterated bullshit

 

[Xix2565]

I am Sorry, but it's unadulterated bullshit

Which part?

 

[Johan]

Kumble is great. Gibbs isn't. You just hate to admit it. It's the same thing you do when confronted with the idea of progress/development in cricket leading to higher standards over time, you turn it into a spam machine full of hyperbole and straw men to whine about.

Average the same but I guess Gibbs is not the right nationality for you to consider great eh? anyway, I've never commited a strawman, as always your mental instability makes you imagine things to get mad over, Just because you are too emotional to rationally approach the argument of development in the sport doesn't mean my points are incorrect. If you can't handle the concept of sports development leaving Sachin behind, that's rough for you.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Which part?

Both Kumble and Gibbs not being close and this Grand transition of Sports development.

 

[Xix2565]

Average the same but I guess Gibbs is not the right nationality for you to consider great eh? anyway, I've never commited a strawman, as always your mental instability makes you imagine things to get mad over, Just because you are too emotional to rationally approach the argument of development in the sport doesn't mean my points are incorrect. If you can't handle the concept of sports development leaving Sachin behind, that's rough for you.

Gibbs has a worse SR and WPM, even relative to their competition. Hence he's worse.

Both Kumble and Gibbs not being close and this Grand transition of Sports development.

I think it's a bit hard to say Kumble isn't greater given the difference in volume and what I said above. The latter can be easily seen, if you don't handicap yourself intentionally.

 

[ataraxia]

Gibbs has a worse SR and WPM, even relative to their competition. Hence he's worse.

So average doesn't matter for you?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Gibbs has a worse SR and WPM, even relative to their competition. Hence he's worse.

I think it's a bit hard to say Kumble isn't greater given the difference in volume and what I said above. The latter can be easily seen, if you don't handicap yourself intentionally.

Gibbs also averages 7 runs less away from the get go.

Gibbs had an equally long career, played 79 Tests and when retiring was the highest wicket taker in the world. More Tests being played in the 90s and 2000s don't think is a Great Volume argument. Root may play more Tests than Sachin, won't ever say they have comparable longevity.

 

[Johan]

Gibbs has a worse SR and WPM, even relative to their competition. Hence he's worse.

This isn't T20, Nobody cares about SR and Gibbs is from an era where everyone has high SR, as your own table shows Gibbs has the better average, and a much more balanced record to boot.

 

[capt_Luffy]

This isn't T20, Nobody cares about SR, as your own table shows Gibbs has the better average, and a much more balanced record to boot.

Ackshually in T20s bowlers ER is much more valuable than their SR. Like 30x more valuable, it's far more than their average as well.

 

[Xix2565]

So average doesn't matter for you?

It's outweighed by the other factors for me.

This isn't T20, Nobody cares about SR and Gibbs is from an era where everyone has high SR, as your own table shows Gibbs has the better average, and a much more balanced record to boot.

I care about getting wickets, and Gibbs regardless didn't manage to take them at the same rate in terms of balls. I'll easily take the person who doesn't have to bowl forever to get wickets.

Gibbs also averages 7 runs less away from the get go.

Gibbs had an equally long career, played 79 Tests and when retiring was the highest wicket taker in the world. More Tests being played in the 90s and 2000s don't think is a Great Volume argument. Root may play more Tests than Sachin, won't ever say they have comparable longevity.

What Gibbs faced in terms of pitches and players wasn't the same as Kumble. Can't just ignore that here. And while I get the argument of Tests played in each eras, it's not swaying me given what I prefer in rating greatness.