Brian Lara vs Sunil Gavaskar (Away from home)

[DrWolverine]

Lara played 6 Tests against Waqar.
Lara played 7 Tests against Akram.
Lara played 10 Tests against Donald.
Zero centuries.
Massive hole in his record.

 

[Johan]

Tendulkar averages the same against those attacks (not bowlers, Subs) and we don't pretend it's a big hole so...

 

[Agonizingly Awkward]

That list is a joke.

Because it doesn't agree with your preconceived notions.

Name a credible list that had Sachin century in their top 30. The attack was only good on paper. Waqar was a shell of himself and Wasim was coming from diabetes. And saqlain was never truly that great in tests.

 

[sayon basak]

That list is a joke.

Come up with one if you think so.

 

[subshakerz]

Lara played 6 Tests against Waqar.
Lara played 7 Tests against Akram.
Lara played 10 Tests against Donald.
Zero centuries.
Massive hole in his record.

11 tests against Donald.

 

[subshakerz]

Because it doesn't agree with your preconceived notions.

Name a credible list that had Sachin century in their top 30. The attack was only good on paper. Waqar was a shell of himself and Wasim was coming from diabetes. And saqlain was never truly that great in tests.

Saqlain was awesome that series and Wasim was bowling very well. And yeah I don't see why he can't make the top 50 given you have knocks against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh in there.

 

[subshakerz]

at home he'd probably slap Donald

He didnt in the series he played against him.

Tendulkar averages the same against those attacks (not bowlers, Subs) and we don't pretend it's a big hole so...

Because Tendulkar has several high quality knocks against those bowlers and scored against others as well.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Wasim was coming from diabetes. And saqlain was never truly that great in tests.

Is this a joke? Saqlain was bowling as well as any spinner ever has in that series. Wasim wasnt in his peak years but he bowled some amazing spells that series too. Also the 99-2000 period was the phase late in his career where he recaptured his old form again and bowled close to his best in not just the India series but the tours of WI and SL too.

 

[Johan]

Because Tendulkar has several high quality knocks against those bowlers and scored against others as well.

Rocks and Diamonds.

 

[subshakerz]

Come up with one if you think so.

Why? Í don't think you can make such lists based on purely quantitative metrics in the first place. Doesn't meant I can't critique that list because he is using it as some kind of authority.

But I can think of at least half dozen top innings that the list doesn't have, including 2-3 of Tendulkar knocks, Gavaskars final knock classic 96, Roy Fredericks 169, Dravids twin WI fifties, Miandads WI ton, and a few others that are not in the top 100.

 

[subshakerz]

Rocks and Diamonds.

At least he has diamonds against them.

 

[subshakerz]

Is this a joke? Saqlain was bowling as well as any spinner ever has in that series. Wasim wasnt in his peak years but he bowled some amazing spells that series too. Also the 99-2000 period was the phase late in his career where he recaptured his old form again and bowled close to his best in not just the India series but the tours of WI and SL too.

Plus it was a somewhat difficult pitch, a bit broken up on the 4th day, India five down for not much, he was facing back spasms. Clearly he never watched the knock.

 

[Johan]

At least he has diamonds against them.

Ok

 

[Johan]

At least he has diamonds against them.

I took this as admission he can't consistently score against good attacks even at his peak btw

 

[DrWolverine]

11 tests against Donald.

10 Tests.

Donald did not play in 06/04/2001 test match due to a hamstring injury he suffered in previous match.

 

[Johan]

Sachin Tendulkar

Allan Donald
11 matches, 658 runs @ 32.90, 2 hundreds and 2 fifties in 20 innings.

Glenn McGrath
9 matches, 662 runs @ 36.77, 2 hundreds and 5 fifties in 18 innings.

Wasim Akram
7 matches, 395 runs @32.91, 1 hundred and 2 fifties in 12 innings

Curtly Ambrose
3 matches, 289 runs @ 57.80, no hundreds and 3 fifties in 6 innings.

Dale Steyn
8 matches, 675 runs @ 56.25, 4 hundreds and 1 fifty in 14 innings.

Shaun Pollock
12 matches, 834 runs @ 39.71, 2 hundreds and 3 fifties in 23 innings.

Waqar Younis
4 matches, 278 runs @ 39.71, 1 hundred and 1 fifty in 7 innings.

Courtney Walsh
7 matches, 595 runs @ 66.11, 1 hundred and 4 fifties in 10 innings.

James Anderson
14 matches, 804 runs @ 32.16, 1 hundred and 5 fifties in 26 innings.

Brian Lara
Glenn McGrath
24 matches, 2,041 runs @ 46.38, 6 hundreds, 7 fifties in 46 innings.

Allan Donald
10 matches, 681 runs @ 34.03, 0 hundreds, 6 fifties in 20 innings

Shaun Pollock
15 matches, 1,245 runs @ 42.93, 2 hundreds and 8 fifties in 29 innings

Wasim Akram
7 matches, 394 runs @ 30.30, 0 hundreds and 2 fifties in 13 innings.

Waqar Younis
6 matches, 354 runs @ 32.18, 0 hundreds and 2 fifties in 11 innings.

Shane Bond
4 matches, 237 runs @ 39.50, 0 hundreds and 2 fifties in 6 innings

Shane Warne
20 matches, 1,837 runs @ 54.02, 5 hundreds and 7 fifties in 36 innings.

Muttiah Muralidharan
9 matches, 1,166 runs @ 77.73, 5 hundreds and 2 fifties in 16 innings.

never played against Shoaib and Steyn weirdly

 

[subshakerz]

I took this as admission he can't consistently score against good attacks even at his peak btw

I mean, he did in back to back series against ATG Australia. Don't know why you just keep ignoring that.

 

[Johan]

I mean, he did in back to back series against ATG Australia. Don't know why you just keep ignoring that.

42, and failed against the two other great attacks, so 1/3 at his peak, that's kind of sad. Collective average of 36 odd against great attacks (Austalia, Pakistan and South Africa) Pre Tennis Elbow induced decline.

 

[sayon basak]

Sachin Tendulkar

Allan Donald
11 matches, 658 runs @ 32.90, 2 hundreds and 2 fifties in 20 innings.

Glenn McGrath
9 matches, 662 runs @ 36.77, 2 hundreds and 5 fifties in 18 innings.

Wasim Akram
7 matches, 395 runs @32.91, 1 hundred and 2 fifties in 12 innings

Curtly Ambrose
3 matches, 289 runs @ 57.80, no hundreds and 3 fifties in 6 innings.

Dale Steyn
8 matches, 675 runs @ 56.25, 4 hundreds and 1 fifty in 14 innings.

Shaun Pollock
12 matches, 834 runs @ 39.71, 2 hundreds and 3 fifties in 23 innings.

Waqar Younis
4 matches, 278 runs @ 39.71, 1 hundred and 1 fifty in 7 innings.

Courtney Walsh
7 matches, 595 runs @ 66.11, 1 hundred and 4 fifties in 10 innings.

James Anderson
14 matches, 804 runs @ 32.16, 1 hundred and 5 fifties in 26 innings.

Brian Lara
Glenn McGrath
24 matches, 2,041 runs @ 46.38, 6 hundreds, 7 fifties in 46 innings.

Allan Donald
10 matches, 681 runs @ 34.03, 0 hundreds, 6 fifties in 20 innings

Shaun Pollock
15 matches, 1,245 runs @ 42.93, 2 hundreds and 8 fifties in 29 innings

Wasim Akram
7 matches, 394 runs @ 30.30, 0 hundreds and 2 fifties in 13 innings.

Waqar Younis
6 matches, 354 runs @ 32.18, 0 hundreds and 2 fifties in 11 innings.

Shane Bond
4 matches, 237 runs @ 39.50, 0 hundreds and 2 fifties in 6 innings

Shane Warne
20 matches, 1,837 runs @ 54.02, 5 hundreds and 7 fifties in 36 innings.

Muttiah Muralidharan
9 matches, 1,166 runs @ 77.73, 5 hundreds and 2 fifties in 16 innings.

never played against Shoaib and Steyn weirdly

Why no Murali and Warne for Sachin?

 

[Johan]

Why no Murali and Warne for Sachin?

I got lazy half way through, simply focus on the pacemen.