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Best bowler to tour England?

Best touring bowler to England

  • Charlie Turner

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  • Hugh Trumble

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  • Clarence Grimmett

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  • Ray Lindwall

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  • Dennis Lillee

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  • Andy Roberts

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  • Michael Holding

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  • Joel Garner

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  • Curtly Ambrose

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  • Allan Donald

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  • Jasprit Bumrah

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  • Imran Khan

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  • Total voters
    18

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
Atherton could barely move in 2001 due to his back and promptly retired. Nasser didn't play all 5 Tests. 2001 was pretty much a 2nd string team
Nasser played 3, the one he didn't play, Thorpe was there. Atherton made a 50 in the first inning of the series, clearly could do something. Weak team, but 4 times the good batsmen to Murali's game.

again, as I told you, keep lying to yourself about the 1998 batting lineup.
 

reyrey

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Nasser played 3, the one he didn't play, Thorpe was there. Atherton made a 50 in the first inning of the series, clearly could do something. Weak team, but 4 times the good batsmen to Murali's game.

again, as I told you, keep lying to yourself about the 1998 batting lineup.
And in 2006 Murali took 24 wickets @ 16.87 against a much better batting line up than McGrath faced in 2001.

Keep lying to yourself that the 2001 batting line up wasn't filled with second stringers like Ramps, Ward, Afzal and a crippled Atherton who averaged 22 in the series
 

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
And in 2006 Murali took 24 wickets @ 16 against a much better batting line up than McGrath faced in 2001.

Keep lying to yourself that the 2001 batting line up wasn't filled with second stringers like Ramps, Ward, Afzal and a crippled Atherton who averaged 22 in the series
Warne got 40 in 5 games against the same lineup a year earlier, McGrath in 2005 before injury got 9 in one against the same lineup.

Lol, So let's ignore Atherton, Nasser, Trescothick and Stewart because some of the guys that also played in 98 played like Ramprakash, Man, what a joke. Here is a fact for you as far as 2000s England goes.

Warne: 71 wickets @ 19.39 (10 games)
McGrath: 50 wickets @ 19.25 (8 games)
Murali: 32 wickets @ 21.93 (5 games)

your beloved 2000s England.
 

reyrey

State Regular
Warne got 40 in 5 games against the same lineup a year earlier, McGrath in 2005 before injury got 9 in one against the same lineup.

Lol, So let's ignore Atherton, Nasser, Trescothick and Stewart because some of the guys that also played in 98 played like Ramprakash, Man, what a joke. Here is a fact for you as far as 2000s England goes.

Warne: 71 wickets @ 19.39 (10 games)
McGrath: 50 wickets @ 19.25 (8 games)
Murali: 32 wickets @ 21.93 (5 games)

your beloved 2000s England.
There you go picking and choosing games again.

I'll pick and choose the 2006 series where Murali beats anything Warne and McGrath did, or I'll pick their complete record which also still favours Murali. All done with minimal bowling support
 

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
There you go picking and choosing games again.

I'll pick and choose the 2006 series where Murali beats anything Warne and McGrath did, or I'll pick their complete record which also still favours Murali. All done with minimal bowling support
I probably can, considering Murali have 5 games against front line English lineups while McGrath and Warne have like 20, sample size and volume of work matters, there's a reason Chris Broad isn't the greatest touring batsman to Australia in the last 50 years.

You can, I'll just mention Warne has 2 ATG serieses and 2 great serieses and McGrath has 2 ATG serieses and one great game against front line English lineups, Murali has 1 ATG series and 1 bad series against frontline England lineups, you still lose.
 

Coronis

Hall of Fame Member
McGrath outbowled Warne in 97 and 2001.

Replace him getting injured in 2005 with Warne and Australia still win comfortably.
Far from a certainty. Hell, Warne took 10/162 and 8/133 in those matches. Australia’s batting was so underwhelming that series.
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Far from a certainty. Hell, Warne took 10/162 and 8/133 in those matches. Australia’s batting was so underwhelming that series.
Australia lost effectively by England running away at 4RPO in the first innings for over 400 in the 2nd 3rd and 4th test. With fit McGrath in top form, very unlikely they do that.
 

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
I don't think Australia win that series if Warne doesn't play but McGrath does. Bigger second inning scores
 

reyrey

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I probably can, considering Murali have 5 games against front line English lineups while McGrath and Warne have like 20, sample size and volume of work matters, there's a reason Chris Broad isn't the greatest touring batsman to Australia in the last 50 years.

You can, I'll just mention Warne has 2 ATG serieses and 2 great serieses and McGrath has 2 ATG serieses and one great game against front line English lineups, Murali has 1 ATG series and 1 bad series against frontline England lineups, you still lose.
In one breath you talk sample size and in the next breath you talk about Murali having a bad series, when he missed 1/3 of the series..

FYI a sample size of 6 games is greater than 5. And as a fact Murali has a better average and a greater series performance.
 

Burgey

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Look, it's so obviously McGrath it isn't worth thinking about. If McGrath and Murali are in the same team playing in England, Murali barely gets a bowl because McGrath has ****ed the opposition already.

Besides, overall Murali was ordinary against the best, let's be honest. McGrath was excellent against pretty much all comers. Let's move on ffs.
 

Burgey

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Either way I don’t think one can say Warne’s performance is overrated at all.
Warne was comfortably the best player in the 2005 Ashes, and the fact he produced that sort of series with bat and ball at the fag end of his career is pretty astonishing tbh.
 

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
In one breath you talk sample size and in the next breath you talk about Murali having a bad series, when he missed 1/3 of the series..

FYI a sample size of 6 games is greater than 5. And as a fact Murali has a better average and a greater series performance.
Duh, If a series is great with 5 innings, a series can also be poor with 3 innings, obviously has a sample size issue.

Oh, I think you missed the keyword, I meant "frontline" English battings as in Ashes 93-97-01-05, SL 02-06, not some joke batting lineup with one decent bat (Alec) and then sub 30 avg riff raff.
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Either way I don’t think one can say Warne’s performance is overrated at all.
A tad overrated. Still an ATG series. Because he wasn't at his most effective when Australia needed it most in setting the game up for them.
 

Burgey

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There you go picking and choosing games again.

I'll pick and choose the 2006 series where Murali beats anything Warne and McGrath did, or I'll pick their complete record which also still favours Murali. All done with minimal bowling support
Murali is the most over rated cricketer on this website by so far it isn't even funny. FMD I used to hope he would bowl at both ends when he played Australia. He lost a leg when they merely announced a series against us, let alone play one. Mentally not up to it. Second rate.
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Look, it's so obviously McGrath it isn't worth thinking about. If McGrath and Murali are in the same team playing in England, Murali barely gets a bowl because McGrath has ****ed the opposition already.

Besides, overall Murali was ordinary against the best, let's be honest. McGrath was excellent against pretty much all comers. Let's move on ffs.
What about Alderman?
 

Burgey

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A tad overrated. Still an ATG series. Because he wasn't at his most effective when Australia needed it most in setting the game up for them.
If you think Shane Warne's 2005 Ashes series is over rated then you have your head up your own arse.
 

Burgey

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What about Alderman?
Yeah fine bowler in England for sure, but missed 85 through being a traitor to his people and humanity, so that and the consequential small sample size counts against him. What he did in 89 was ****ing hilarious though.
 

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
If you think Shane Warne's 2005 Ashes series is over rated then you have your head up your own arse.
You're right it's not overrated since he bowled them to victory that series. Oh wait, he didn't. But I guess bowlers actually winning games doesn't matter as much in rating things.

McGrath in the first test was better than any other performance Warne did that series. That's the truth.
 

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
is Sachin Tendulkar in Australia overrated as he never even came close to winning a game for them?
 

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