Richard Hadlee vs Curtly Ambrose

[capt_Luffy]

Don Bradman played 11 test series.
I am guessing except the Bodyline, he would have won every single one of them.

Hammond surely will win in '28 Ashes

 

[subshakerz]

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@smash84 actually underestimated Hadlee's margin: he has 33 1/3% more POTS than Marshall who has 25% fewer POTS than Hadlee (8 is 33 1/3% bigger than 6 which is 25% smaller than 8).

Hadlee has just one POTS against SL, BTW, not two unless you were talking about the number of series played against SL in which case Hadlee, in fact, played three series against them: two Tests in 1983, three in 1984 and one in 1987 (that series was abandoned due to civil unrest).

I don't think they gave a POTS award for the 1980 NZ-WI series but if they had, Hadlee would have surely won it for his superb all-round performances:

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So that makes it 9 POTS for Hadlee, putting him 50% ahead of Marshall!

Remember, you mustn't speak ill of the dead:

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On MOS, Imran outdoes both Hadlee and Marshall and everyone else and no MOS against minnows and three against the WI. In the 1980s he played 16 series and was MOS in 8 of them including in WI, Aus, Ind and Eng twice.

 

[DrWolverine]

Hammond surely will win in '28 Ashes

Yes.

There should be another test series where Len Hutton out scored him. He scored 364 in one match.

 

[capt_Luffy]

On MOS, Imran outdoes both Hadlee and Marshall and everyone else and no MOS against minnows and three against the WI. In the 1980s he played 16 series and was MOS in 8 of them including in WI, Aus, Ind and Eng twice.

One was for batting though

 

[subshakerz]

One was for batting though

Sure and to be fair a couple other he had batting contributions.

 

[DrWolverine]

The list is dominated by all rounders.

 

[subshakerz]

The list is dominated by all rounders.

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ARs and home/minnows bashers.

 

[Coronis]

So?

Just a reminder.

Don Bradman played 11 test series.
I am guessing except the Bodyline, he would have won every single one of them.

Off the top off my head, Hammond wins 28-29 Ashes and Larwood wins 32-33 Ashes.

 

[DrWolverine]

 

[DrWolverine]

ChatGPT made this impressive table.
Most runs & most wickets in each test series involving Don Bradman from both the teams.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

So this is it, after everything else, were down to conjecture.

I don't think isn't the basis of an argument.

Marshall was quicker than all of those gentleman and for a sustained period. He had a ridiculously condensed schedule of 5 test series, and a full county load. They didn't have a spinner to eat overs and he went all out. Yes, it would have worn on his body.

But there's nothing besides guesses at this point that would project how he would have adapted or performed.

Anyways, hope you don't take any of this personally, I do rate you as a poster.

Respect

 

[capt_Luffy]

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I can spot one mistake without digging too deep, Jack White was English

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Can we move on from this thread now, Hadlee is quite clearly rated a better bowler than Ambrose. He's not better by much but enough to make a conclusion.

 

[Coronis]

I can spot one mistake without digging too deep, Jack White was English

Also Hutton scored more than 364 runs in that series.

Though actually, using AI to determine MOTS is not a horrible idea. (Grok, not ChatGPT)

 

[DrWolverine]

AI is making many mistakes for now.
It is just at its infancy and will do better in future.

 

[Coronis]

Also Hutton scored more than 364 runs in that series.

Though actually, using AI to determine MOTS is not a horrible idea. (Grok, not ChatGPT)

After trying, apparently not.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

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Just from seeing the list, Morris outscored Bradman in his last tour of England, 1948 series. The list seems to miss when West Indies toured here and iirc Ponsford and Bradman scored around similar runs and iirc Grimmett ran riot against those WI batsman.

From pure memory Bradman wins,

1930 Ashes
SA in Australia 31-32
1934 Ashes
1936 Ashes
1946-47 Ashes
India Series

Plus 1938 Ashes

From my memory he played some very important innings in the 1938 Ashes.Saved up the McCabe’s match and scored a ton in a very low scoring match. Man of the series for me.

 

[shortpitched713]

AI is making many mistakes for now.
It is just at its infancy and will do better in future.

Will it though, anytime soon?

Right now we can't get it to stop agreeing with everything we say.

 

[DrWolverine]

Will it though, anytime soon?

Right now we can't get it to stop agreeing with everything we say.

Microsoft just eliminated 3% of the workforce.
I am guessing by 2030 AI would infinitely better.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Also Hutton scored more than 364 runs in that series.

Though actually, using AI to determine MOTS is not a horrible idea. (Grok, not ChatGPT)

For all the efforts I put and painstakingly determined a (sometimes two) MoTS from every 19th Century Series.