DrWolverine
International Captain
Rank them.
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Akram. Lillee. Trueman.
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subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Lillee - Simply a wickettaking machine at a level that allows him to overtake the others plus super high rep
Trueman - A bit like Lillee but not as impressive away
Wasim - Overall stats a bit not as impressive but still fairly reasonable success across countries and great rep
I am torn between Wasim and Trueman
Trueman - A bit like Lillee but not as impressive away
Wasim - Overall stats a bit not as impressive but still fairly reasonable success across countries and great rep
I am torn between Wasim and Trueman
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yeah we have debated this and like Sachin Sobers I am opting for the guy who is more impressive away (though both had limited opportunities)
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
I'll personally opt for the one with the best performance against the best perfoming batting lineups of their era.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yes we disagree on that and even for the sake of argument Trueman is better the difference is miniscule.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
Highest Scoring Batting lineups of Lillee's time – West Indies and Pakistan
Highest Scoring Batting lineups of Trueman's time – West Indies and Australia
Post Trueman's numbers against the Carribean and Australia and then Lillee's against Windies and Pakistan, actually I'll do it.
Trueman (vs West Indies and Australia): 165 wickets @ 24.34
Lillee (vs Pakistan and West Indies): 126 wickets @ 29.26
DrWolverine
International Captain
I feel Lillee is the best among the three but also the least proven performer across different conditions.
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
And Trueman actually significantly better away against those teams.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Only on blind average reading.
Lillees one WI test he was injured mid way. He did better in WSC.
Lillees Pakistan record is one series small sample.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Truemans SR etc is entirely a home phenomenon he doesn't have anything near that away from home.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
The reality is that Lillee was worldclass in England yet Trueman couldn't replicate that in WI and Aus.
Even Johan when we debated earlier admitted Lillee was better away.
Thala_0710
International Captain
He plays a very highly disproportionate amount of games at home as well. 47/67 (over 70%) is very home biased.
Thala_0710
International Captain
For reference, even guys like Ashwin only played about 61% of their games at home.
PlayerComparisons
International Captain
Akram easily
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Why are you combining averages? There are only two teams. And why not just focus on the single best team? We don't do this for other cricketers.
I will grant that Trueman is better at home against WI. Not away thoigh.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
Ashes 1962/63 Strike Rates
Trueman: 63.35
Rest of Pacers: 86.40
Wisden Trophy 1960
Trueman: 63.00
Rest of Pacers: 78.88
so No, even away on flat wickets he was a SR outlier.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
He can only play the games he is selected to play, in the 60s the 10 games he got in Australia and Windies, England won 2, Australia won 1 and Windies won none, 7 draws and Trueman was the driving force behind the 2 wins, even on the flatter wickets.