Brian lara vs steve smith

[Johan]

Fraser barely played against India .

Sachin had a fantastic hundred against Fraser at Old Trafford in 1990 when Sachin was like...17 or 18 year old? in 92-93 he faced a weak English attack but one that was international level regardless, his 122 at Edgbaston in 1996 is one of the best knocks I've seen from an Asian batsman in England. The Attack was average but the Old Trafford and Edgbaston tons are legit classics.

 

[vidiq]

Sachin had a fantastic hundred against Fraser at Old Trafford in 1990 when Sachin was like...17 or 18 year old? in 92-93 he faced a weak English attack but one that was international level regardless, his 122 at Edgbaston in 1996 is one of the best knocks I've seen from an Asian batsman in England. The Attack was average but the Old Trafford and Edgbaston tons are legit classics.

Do you think 90s Eng pacers (Fraser was great) are better than current Bangladesh pacers?

 

[subshakerz]

Sobers was better at dominating on flatter wickets

You criticized Sachin for that.

 

[Johan]

Do you think 90s Eng pacers (Fraser was great) are better than current Bangladesh pacers?

more skillful yes, quicker No, but I don't think current Bangladesh is minnow tier anyway, I think they stopped being minnows and became a respectful home bowling unit in 2015-16 when they beat England and drew Australia

 

[capt_Luffy]

more skillful yes, quicker No, but I don't think current Bangladesh is minnow tier anyway, I think they stopped being minnows and became a respectful home bowling unit in 2015-16 when they beat England and drew Australia

Do you think 90s Eng pacers (Fraser was great) are better than current Bangladesh pacers?

Still by a very long shot, so much that it's not really comparable. Gough, Fraser, Caddick, Cork all very Good. Even someone like Devon Malcolm is much better than anyone of current Bangladesh, infact he will easily be the Best Ever from Bangladesh .

 

[Johan]

You criticized Sachin for that.

Not really critique, I just said that Sachin would naturally have an easier second half than Viv because the pitches significantly flattened out and thus a decline wouldn't be as horribly exposed, look at Kohli, if his decline came in 2000s I'd think he'd still be around 49-51 average, but it didn't so he fell to 46.

 

[subshakerz]

Lara effectively played 14 years (1992-2006)
for Viv those 14 years would be (1974-1988)

130 matches, 11,904 runs @ 53.14, 34 hundreds in 230 innings.

116 matches, 8,853 runs @ 53.27, 27 hundreds in 177 innings. [WSC included]

similar enough, Lara was probably better tho, faced actual ATG attacks, his best serieses were levels above Viv's best and was not a downhill skier like Viv.

Lol it's as if you reversed all your positions. Remembers you agreeing Lara was relatively less impressive away?

And I don't see why you exclude Lara's early years yet keep Viv's.

 

[Johan]

one of Sachin's great knocks

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-england-1996-62278/england-vs-india-1st-test-63713/full-scorecard

 

[subshakerz]

Not really critique, I just said that Sachin would naturally have an easier second half than Viv because the pitches significantly flattened out and thus a decline wouldn't be as horribly exposed, look at Kohli, if his decline came in 2000s I'd think he'd still be around 49-51 average, but it didn't so he fell to 46.

That's not true, you were critical of not rating Sachin for the flat era decade success especially his later peak.

Now suddenly Sobers dominating on flat track is meritorious.

 

[Johan]

Lol it's as if you reversed all your positions. Remembers you agreeing Lara was relatively less impressive away?

And I don't see why you exclude Lara's early years yet keep Viv's.

Viv was definitely more impressive away from home.

Lara had a single match in 1990, I don't count it and compared their 14 year sample sizes as that's Lara's whole career anyway

 

[subshakerz]

Viv was definitely more impressive away from home.

Lara had a single match in 1990, I don't count it and compared their 14 year sample sizes as that's Lara's whole career anyway

How exactly is Viv a downhill skier again after you have been arguing for him being clutch quite often?

 

[Johan]

That's not true, you were critical of not rating Sachin for the flat era decade success especially his later peak.

Now suddenly Sobers dominating on flat track is meritorious.

Wait, If you think I don't rate flat wicket performances, why would I ever have had Sachin and Sobers higher than Viv?

 

[subshakerz]

Wait, If you think I don't rate flat wicket performances, why would I ever have had Sachin and Sobers higher than Viv?

I am just repeating your critiques and earlier opinions. You were clear you had Sachin ahead on longevity basis and rated Viv ahead of Sobers. Now it seems you changed your mind.

I'll be honest, you don't seem to have any fixed criteria so your rankings seem a jumble. Are you just taking the mickey or something?

I understand evolving ones views but you seem all over the place, contradicting yourself and I can't tell if your views are serious. No offense intended.

 

[Johan]

I'll be honest, you don't seem to have any fixed criteria so your rankings seem a jumble. Are you just taking the mickey or something?

I understand evolving ones views but you seem all over the place and I can't tell if your views are serious. No offense intended.

I recently changed my views and cut down on the importance of longevity and increased importance of best serieses and high output and that hurt a few, then I went to research Viv's big serieses and feuds with great bowlers and personally came to the conclusion that his peak is massively overrated, and Yeah, that was that.

 

[subshakerz]

I recently changed my views and cut down on the importance of longevity and increased importance of best serieses and high output and that hurt a few, then I went to research Viv's big serieses and feuds with great bowlers and personally came to the conclusion that his peak is massively overrated, and Yeah, that was that.

Ok, thanks for clarifying. I will treat you as a blank slate then.

 

[Johan]

Ok.thsnks for clarifying. I will treat you as a blank slate then.

alright

 

[subshakerz]

alright

Anyways Viv over Lara for much the same reasons, better away, no weakness against quality pace.

 

[Johan]

Anyways Viv over Lara for much the same reasons, better away, no weakness against quality pace.

fair enough

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Smith slightly better. Smith as mentioned b4, has Lara's epic series with Sachins consistency. He is great home and away and has been great vs pace and spin. Only thing keeping him from topping Sachin imo is longevity.

 

[Johan]

I think he already topped Sachin, Viv and Lara.