Kohli's India vs Ganguly's India

[subshakerz]

Hazlewood is a similar type of bowler to McGrath in style. There is a very big difference in quality though. I can't see these guys playing McGrath well, far less dominate him

McGraths game is almost technically built to get out someone like Kohli who perpetually drives, is impatient and can't cut.

 

[Thala_0710]

Even n siddhu bashed Ambrose in west Indies pitches , So i don't think ambrose Will perform well against rohit sharma, kl Rahul etc.

I mean this is just a frankly utterly ridiculous argument. Kusal perara smacked prime rabada in SA. So, Sehwag will be too level of argument

 

[vidiq]

McGraths game is almost technically built to get out someone like Kohli who perpetually drives, is impatient and can't cut.

Crawley was hitting so many cover drives against bumrah without getting any edge.
I think In Indian pitches , hitting drives is really not a problem like white ball games.

 

[Thala_0710]

McGraths game is almost technically built to get out someone like Kohli who perpetually drives, is impatient and can't cut.

Yeah, If I had to build a bowler in a lab to get Kohli out, it would probably be close to McGrath (would add just a bit more swing and that's it).

 

[Xix2565]

Yeah but if those spinners weren't wacked around for fun I don't see Harbi especially if it's his home conditions or rank turners and he has access to DRS.


DRS will make Kumble and Harbi more dangerous spinners than we see by their numbers this is an objective fact.

They were whacked around for the most part. That's why India won so much. You do realise Bumrah didn't play in India until 2021 right? Who do you think was winning games from 2015 onwards?

We have seen even with DRS that opposition spinners have largely been outbowled handily. There's nothing that suggests Ashwin/Jadeja will suddenly be matched here.

Sehwag, Tendulkar, Laxman and Dhoni are elite players of spin whereas Kohlis team doesn't have the same level except maybe Rohit.

So we'll pretend that spinners did well in an easier spin bowling era but turn around and act like batters in a flatter era are better? Makes no sense.

 

[subshakerz]

Crawley was hitting so many cover drives against bumrah without getting any edge.
I think In Indian pitches , hitting drives is really not a problem like white ball games.

Bumrah is a swing bowler who often pitched it up too whereas McGrath is a corridor seamer who was strangling bats. And Crawley frankly has more of an offside shot selection than Kohli.

 

[Thala_0710]

They were whacked around for the most part. That's why India won so much. You do realise Bumrah didn't play in India until 2021 right? Who do you think was winning games from 2015 onwards?

We have seen even with DRS that opposition spinners have largely been outbowled handily. There's nothing that suggests Ashwin/Jadeja will suddenly be matched here.

So we'll pretend that spinners did well in an easier spin bowling era but turn around and act like batters in a flatter era are better? Makes no sense.

Kumble and especially Harbhajan won't match Ashwin-Jadeja but they will get closer certainly.
And yeah, are Kohli and Rahul and Rahane better players of spin than Sachin and Sehwag and Laxman? You tell me

 

[subshakerz]

We have seen even with DRS that opposition spinners have largely been outbowled handily. There's nothing that suggests Ashwin/Jadeja will suddenly be matched here.

Check Kumbles record in India in the 90s when it was relatively spin friendly. Now imagine he had DRS.

 

[subshakerz]

Kumble and especially Harbhajan won't match Ashwin-Jadeja but they will get closer certainly.
And yeah, are Kohli and Rahul and Rahane better players of spin than Sachin and Sehwag and Laxman? You tell me

I think this is the point. Kumble and Harbi don't need to match the skill level of Ashwin Jadeja as long as we recognize that they have the DRS boost and weaker bats to play against.

 

[vidiq]

Kumble and especially Harbhajan won't match Ashwin-Jadeja but they will get closer certainly.
And yeah, are Kohli and Rahul and Rahane better players of spin than Sachin and Sehwag and Laxman? You tell me

With Drs they will be close.

 

[Thala_0710]

I think this is the point. Kumble and Harbi don't need to match the skill level of Ashwin Jadeja as long as we recognize that they have the DRS boost and weaker bats to play against.

Yup. And even after all of this debate, I'm still voting Kohli's team. But it's closer than people are making it out to be.

 

[subshakerz]

Yup. And even after all of this debate, I'm still voting Kohli's team. But it's closer than people are making it out to be.

Like I said, the difference between the two sides is Bumrah.

 

[vidiq]

In Indian pitches -
Kohli's era players are poor against spinners
And Ganguly era players were poor against pace Bowlers .

 

[Thala_0710]

Like I said, the difference between the two sides is Bumrah.

The 2000s team won away in Eng and NZ. If they had Bumrah, they would have won in Aus and Sa too. But not to be 🥲

 

[capt_Luffy]

This is neutralised by the fact that Gangulys team has much better bats particularly against spin.

Bumrah is the difference.

I think I would agree with this. Ofcourse the spin attack of the 2nd team is significantly more potent for Indian pitches and Shami is better than Zaheer here by quite some length, let alone the others. But that team has arguably the best batsman ever after Don, another top 20 batsman, a spin Goat, an ATVG batsman specialising in spin, a Great player of SLA and Gambhir and Dhoni. The batting is massively stacked. As stated, this team never played together and the closest it got to was in 2010 and India reached no 1 in ICC rankings. Kohli and Pujara are great batsmen, Rohit and Pant great to spin and this team bats really deep; but don't think that's nearly enough to make up in batting. But yeah, Bumrah is a huge factor. Will be a good series, but I do believe in bowlers win you more Series than batsmen so will go with that.

 

[vidiq]

The 2000s team won away in Eng and NZ. If they had Bumrah, they would have won in Aus and Sa too. But not to be 🥲

NZ was the 6th best teams of 00 era according to w/l Ratio , similar to current era sl.

 

[capt_Luffy]

The 2000s team won away in Eng and NZ. If they had Bumrah, they would have won in Aus and Sa too. But not to be 🥲

Tbf Indian pacers have a strange knack for turning up in SA. Srinath, Sreesanth, Zaheer, Shami all have absolutely fantastic record there; especially surprising for Sreesanth.

 

[Thala_0710]

NZ was the 6th best teams of 00 era according to w/l Ratio , similar to current era sl.

What's the point?

 

[Thala_0710]

Tbf Indian pacers have a strange knack for turning up in SA. Srinath, Sreesanth, Zaheer, Shami all have absolutely fantastic record there; especially surprising for Sreesanth.

Our batsmen hate SA, our pacers love it. It is what it is. But still none of them are Bumrah level. I reckon we take the 2010-11 series with Bumrah. Even without him, we came damn close. (Likewise in Aus in 03-04).

 

[vidiq]

Sreesanth was very fast and a fearsome Bowler.