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Sachin vs Kallis

Who is better test batsmen?

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Coronis

Coronis

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Century every x innings for the 10k club

Smith - 5.86
Sangakkara - 6.13
Kallis - 6.22
Younis - 6.26
Gavaskar - 6.29
Tendulkar - 6.45
Lara - 6.82
Ponting - 7.00
Jayawardene - 7.41
Root - 7.72
Dravid - 7.94
Waugh - 8.13
Cook - 8.82
Chanderpaul - 9.33
Border - 9.81
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
Coronis said:
Century every x innings for the 10k club

Smith - 5.86
Sangakkara - 6.13
Kallis - 6.22
Younis - 6.26
Gavaskar - 6.29
Tendulkar - 6.45
Lara - 6.82
Ponting - 7.00
Jayawardene - 7.41
Root - 7.72
Dravid - 7.94
Waugh - 8.13
Cook - 8.82
Chanderpaul - 9.33
Border - 9.81
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Kinda surprised Cook being lower than Waugh and Border than Chanders
 
centurymaker

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
Typically no greats retire right before a marquee series.

He even scored a hundred in his last series. But had a terrible record against Australia at home, so probably didn't want to retire on a low.

(He did retire early relative to Tendulkar, hence why his raw figures look nicer)
 
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akilana

akilana

State Captain
you said he was bad in his last year.. so if he retires, someone worthy of a spot gets picked and offers more to winning. That's the most unselfish decision he could make.

Sachin could have retired at the right time but he was chasing records.
 
centurymaker

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
akilana said:
you said he was bad in his last year.. so if he retires, someone worthy of a spot gets picked and offers more to winning. That's the most unselfish decision he could make.

Sachin could have retired at the right time but he was chasing records.
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What record was Tendulkar chasing after he got his 100th 100 in Match 2012? Why did he play on for another 20 months? Makes no logical sense to think that he was still chasing a record.. when there was no record to chase. He held all records. Playing on meant his average would fall more and more. Lower conversion rates.. Lower overseas averages. Basically everything to do with his test career would look worse.

Here's the truth for those who are unware who wrongly believe that he played on just to complete a bogus BS milestone of 200 tests!

He believed he was still good enough to play on for another couple of years and his target was to play in the next ODI World Cup in 2015. Help defend the world title. But Dhoni wanted a young team. He got rid of all the stars of 2011 WC. Eventually Tendulkar too was given a nudge from ODIs by start of 2013. He then knew he didn't have long. And retired next summer- the two test series vs West Indies in Nov 2013. Initially this series was not planned so he thought he'd tour both SA and NZ and retire at home.

If he had been informed sooner (2011/12) that he would not be part of their ODI WC plans (even if he showed good form), he would have called time on his career earlier. He kept thinking he was still slowly working towards his target of reaching the next World Cup in early 2015. (Similar to Kallis who played ODIs till July 2014, though retired from tests in 2013).
 
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Coronis

Coronis

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
centurymaker said:
What record was Tendulkar chasing after he got his 100th 100 in Match 2012? Why did he play on for another 20 months? Makes no logical sense to think that he was still chasing a record.. when there was no record to chase. He held all records. Playing on meant his average would fall more and more. Lower conversion rates.. Lower overseas averages. Basically everything to do with his test career would look worse.

Here's the truth for those who are unware who wrongly believe that he played on just to complete a bogus BS milestone of 200 tests!

He believed he was still good enough to play in the next ODI World Cup in 2015. He wanted to help defend the world title. But Dhoni wanted a young team. He got rid of all the stars of 2011 WC. Likewise, Tendulkar was also given a nudge from ODIs eventually in 2013. He then realised that had to retire and planned to do it in the next series. The next series happened to be some months away- the 2 test series vs West Indies in Nov 2013.

If he had been informed sooner that he would not be part of their ODI WC plans too, he would have called time on his career almost a year earlier. He kept thinking and believing he was still well in contention of playing the World Cup in early 2015. (Similar to Kallis who played ODIs till July 2014, though retired from tests in 2013).
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The cope is real.
 
centurymaker

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
Coronis said:
The cope is real.
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No it's from people who were close to him who have shared his side. Guy starts playing tests at 16, ofcourse he is going to believe he can play on into his 40s. Playing's all he had done. Someone had to nudge him on. They just didn't have the courage to nudge him sooner. If they did, ofcourse he'd been out sooner. It's not rocket science.

subcontinental players don't have a good sense of when to retire. Misbah, Younis, Jayasuriya, Afridi to name a few contemporaries. They tend to think they can play forever. So the selectors literally have to tell them it's time, like they did with Dravid and Laxman.

'The Master Blaster refused to rule himself out for the 2015 World Cup, indicating that he was taking fresh guard for a long innings after scaling the 'tons of tons' summit.'
 
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