Gooch v Chanderpaul

[Fuller Pilch]

I know there were a lot of not outs, but from 2007-2014 Chanderpaul averaged 68.96.

Sanga was the only other one in that time frame to average over 60.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Chanderpaul

 

[Johan]

Gooch still.

Pretty sure Gooch's output from 1990 to the trent bridge double ton was greater than 2007-2014 Chanders anyway.

 

[BazBall21]

I am a bigger Chanderpaul fan than a lot of people here, and rate him above Cook&KP. But I would take Gooch over him.

 

[Athlai]

If you keep getting 70* at a 45 strike rate and don't know how to protect the tail, and your top order ****ing sucks, you can't then also insist on batting 5.

Can and will

 

[Coronis]

If you keep getting 70* at a 45 strike rate and don't know how to protect the tail, and your top order ****ing sucks, you can't then also insist on batting 5.

Best batsman on the team should be able to choose where he wants to bat imo

 

[ataraxia]

I've made lots of posts trashing on Chanderpaul lately but this is a bit far. I still can't tell if the recent Gooch fascination here is legit, a Johan meme or somewhere in between, but as overrated as Chanderpaul's statistics can make him, Gooch isn't really close.

I was about to post a similar thing. Pom, **** v Aus, massively home-skewed record, longevity being his major strength: it's strange how he's been bigged up so much. Is it due to him averaging 45 v WI? Can't see how that would raise him ahead of a Vengsarkar.

 

[Coronis]

I was about to post a similar thing. Pom, **** v Aus, massively home-skewed record, longevity being his major strength: it's strange how he's been bigged up so much. Is it due to him averaging 45 v WI? Can't see how that would raise him ahead of a Vengsarkar.

Its funny actually, iirc he was actually roughly equal at home and away up until the 90’s. So his peak was basically him bashing people at home.

 

[Prince EWS]

I was about to post a similar thing. Pom, **** v Aus, massively home-skewed record, longevity being his major strength: it's strange how he's been bigged up so much. Is it due to him averaging 45 v WI? Can't see how that would raise him ahead of a Vengsarkar.

Ruined the actual advantage of his longevity by getting himself banned for three years too.

 

[Coronis]

Its funny actually, iirc he was actually roughly equal at home and away up until the 90’s. So his peak was basically him bashing people at home.

Yeah just checked, he was basically averaging the same away as he always did and was averaging 60+ in England.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I was about to post a similar thing. Pom, **** v Aus, massively home-skewed record, longevity being his major strength: it's strange how he's been bigged up so much. Is it due to him averaging 45 v WI? Can't see how that would raise him ahead of a Vengsarkar.

Damn, even with all this being somewhat true, he's still better than Chanderpaul. Imagine how much Shiv sucks.

 

[Johan]

I was about to post a similar thing. Pom, **** v Aus, massively home-skewed record, longevity being his major strength: it's strange how he's been bigged up so much. Is it due to him averaging 45 v WI? Can't see how that would raise him ahead of a Vengsarkar.

Gooch defintely has caveats but where's the Shiv hype coming from? West Indian, **** in Australia, big flat track bully, hid at 5 behind 4 other bats, can't bat with tail, too trash to bat in top 4, less output than Alastair Cook, minnow basher and a selfish sack of **** on top, I don't really know how one rates him.

 

[Fanboy375]

Averages are misleading here, considering one opened in England and was a team man and one played at 5 and 6 in 2000s and was average obsessed.

Chanderpaul's RPI — 42.3 (without minnow bashing, 40.9)
Graham Gooch's RPI — 41.3 (without minnow bashing, 40.8)

Gooch absolutely is a better Batsmen than Chanders, compareable actual run output but he won't make the #11 face deliveries and he would produce runs in the top 4 which would set the tone of the match, Chanders averaged 34.8 when he tried batting in the top 4 for a matter of fact and most importantly, Gooch would do much better on spicier pitches than Chanders.

Chan and Dravid gets their reputation for blocking deliveries.They were important because their teams weren't that strong in batting and they require someone to save them.If Chan played in current Aus or 2000s SA he wouldn't have that reputation.

 

[Johan]

Chan and Dravid gets their reputation for blocking deliveries.They were important because their teams weren't that strong in batting and they require someone to save them.If Chan played in current Aus or 2000s SA he wouldn't have that reputation.

Yeah he won't have a reputation, because he won't have a career.

 

[Fanboy375]

Chaderpaul was an extremely selfish batter who just went out to bat to boost his average.

No.He was in weak batting team.He played like Laxman and Dravid roles.

 

[Fanboy375]

I know there were a lot of not outs, but from 2007-2014 Chanderpaul averaged 68.96.

Sanga was the only other one in that time frame to average over 60.

Yeah but before that he didn't do much well despite bowling from opposition team weren't as good.From 1996-2007 bowling average of opposite team in WI was 32.6 and it became 30.7 in 2007-14.So he did well in WI when bowling was harder but didn't do well when bowling was easy.

 

[BazBall21]

I was about to post a similar thing. Pom, **** v Aus, massively home-skewed record, longevity being his major strength: it's strange how he's been bigged up so much. Is it due to him averaging 45 v WI? Can't see how that would raise him ahead of a Vengsarkar.

No one did better v the WI quartet incl the likes of Border&Miandad. Even Viv domestically didn't do great against those bowlers if that counts. So an average of 45 (and above 40 overseas) isn't a discredit.

 

[DrWolverine]

Graham Gooch

123* vs Roberts, Holding, Garner & Croft
116 vs Roberts, Holding, Garner & Croft
153 vs Marshall, Holding, Garner & Croft
146 vs Marshall, Patterson, Walsh & Ambrose
154 vs Marshall, Patterson, Walsh & Ambrose

 

[Johan]

@Johan pointed out and I say it again, in the 130* knock in Lord's, Chanders made #11 Pedro Collins play 50+ deliveries, just so that he stays not out. He did just that, achieve a not out to boost his average.

Don't think Dravid or Laxman did that.

it was actually in Riverside ground, but yeah that happened. I think back in early 2010s Chanderpual being selfish and being unable to bat with the tail wasn't a unique stance, it's something even PEWS agreed with while voting Chanderpaul here.

 

[Prince EWS]

@Johan pointed out and I say it again, in the 130* knock, Chanders made #11 Pedro Collins play 50+ deliveries, just to stay not out. He did just that, achieve a not out to boost his average.

Don't think Dravid or Laxman did that.

If we're going to keep mentioning this repeatedly we should probably get the numbers right lol.

ENG vs WI Cricket Scorecard, 1st Test at London, July 22 - 26, 2004

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