Gooch v Chanderpaul

[Johan]

also, when someone averages 34.8 batting in the top 4 in West Indies, I don't have much faith in their ability to open and win games against Terry Alderman in England.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Given Alderman’s record in England, I wouldn’t be confident about anyone in history doing well against him there. Not even Don.

Viv??

 

[Johan]

Viv??

How I believe ATG bats would do against Alderman in England because why the **** now?

• Sir Donald Bradman — Takes him to the cleaner first or second inning
• Sir Jack Hobbs — would handle him pretty comfortably I reckon, I think he faced more movement and bowler friendly pitches in the pre war era, so I feel like he'll handle him well after the initial 20-30 deliveries.
• Sachin Tendulkar — might struggle for the first match as he is basically facing Anderson minus reverse but with more movement, would probably adapt by the second match and definitely by the third.
• Sir Vivian Richards — struggles first match, has a slight altercation with Alderman, takes him to the cleaners the second.
• Sir Len Hutton — same thing as Hobbs
• Sir Garfield Sobers — Struggles for the first 2 matches but handles him by third

everyone else legit may not average 50+

 

[capt_Luffy]

How I believe ATG bats would do against Alderman in England because why the **** now?

• Sir Donald Bradman — Takes him to the cleaner first or second inning
• Sir Jack Hobbs — would handle him pretty comfortably I reckon, I think he faced more movement and bowler friendly pitches in the pre war era, so I feel like he'll handle him well after the initial 20-30 deliveries.
• Sachin Tendulkar — might struggle for the first match as he is basically facing Anderson minus reverse but with more movement, would probably adapt by the second match and definitely by the third.
• Sir Vivian Richards — struggles first match, has a slight altercation with Alderman, takes him to the cleaners the second.
• Sir Len Hutton — same thing as Hobbs
• Sir Garfield Sobers — Struggles for the first 2 matches but handles him by third

everyone else legit may not average 50+

Do Smith, Lara, Hammond, Gavaskar, Headley and Sutcliffe (I think he will be as successful as the other 2 Pommie openers).

 

[Johan]

Do Smith, Lara, Hammond, Gavaskar, Headley and Sutcliffe (I think he will be as successful as the other 2 Pommie openers).

• Lara — struggles but manages to churn out a hundred or two at the end of the series, reckon he'll average maybe 40? 45? moderately successful but a respectable rivalry.
• Gavaskar — (oh boy) struggles greatly in the first game, manages to perform later in the series and go really big, maybe average 40.
• Hammond — can't say honestly, probably performs like Lara, I can't see his output against Constantine and think he takes them to the cleaners but he'll play Alderman better than he played Constantine I feel like.
• Headley — heh, two ducks and collective twenty runs in first 2 tests, but he'd adapt and score 2 hundreds in the next three, same story as Grimmett, he just seems otherwordly talented.
• Smith — stylistic nightmare for Smith, I reckon he'd struggle heavily, he would be a prime LBW candidate against Alderman.
• Sutcliffe — genuinely can't say.

 

[BazBall21]

Constantine ate Hammond

 

[capt_Luffy]

Constantine and Alderman are VERY different kinds of bowlers though

 

[BazBall21]

Yeah they are. It's why Hammond was thought to have a weakness v proper pace.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I would rather think Hammond may struggle with someone like Waqar or Holding. Alderman type didn't seemed to bother him much.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Re early 90s

I'd go Crowe in 90 just for his tour of Pakistan (edges Gooch's 333)
91 - Gooch
92 - Gooch
93 - Boon
94 - time for Lara/Tendulkar/S Waugh

 

[Johan]

Constantine and Alderman are VERY different kinds of bowlers though

Hammond cut off his hook shot in 1929, so I reckon an 85mph pacer who genuinely disliked Hammond and cut the ball both ways coming at him with short pitched bowling was his bane.

Alderman I think Hammond would struggle with for the first innings but adapt to.

 

[Coronis]

Viv??

Like I said, nobody.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Hammond cut off his hook shot in 1929, so I reckon an 85mph pacer who genuinely disliked Hammond and cut the ball both ways coming at him with short pitched bowling was his bane.

Alderman I think Hammond would struggle with for the first innings but adapt to.

Hammond played plenty of Alderman type, probs more than any other type of bowler and probably more than any other batsman (except Hobbs).

 

[BazBall21]

Re early 90s

I'd go Crowe in 90 just for his tour of Pakistan (edges Gooch's 333)
91 - Gooch
92 - Gooch
93 - Boon
94 - time for Lara/Tendulkar/S Waugh

Boon faced a powderpuff England attack in 1993 but he was very good at home to WI. Top player v pace. Would still have taken Gooch though. Think Crowe in 1990 is fair enough and Gooch started to tire in 1994.

Gooch the best from 1991-1993 seems about right.

 

[Johan]

Hammond played plenty of Alderman type, probs more than any other type of bowler and probably more than any other batsman (except Hobbs).

swingers yeah but Alderman was also rarely skilled in stump to stump bowling and also got awkward bounce due to height and release point, Swing Hammond would whip but it might take a game to adapt to the other two elements

 

[Prince EWS]

I've made lots of posts trashing on Chanderpaul lately but this is a bit far. I still can't tell if the recent Gooch fascination here is legit, a Johan meme or somewhere in between, but as overrated as Chanderpaul's statistics can make him, Gooch isn't really close.

 

[Prince EWS]

I've always found it interesting that people will deride Chanderpaul for being a selfish cricketer while also giving him zero credit for being good enough to stick around and score more runs. If he played for a better team, then he'd have been given even more opportunity to actually do so.

If you keep getting 70* at a 45 strike rate and don't know how to protect the tail, and your top order ****ing sucks, you can't then also insist on batting 5.

 

[Johan]

I've made lots of posts trashing on Chanderpaul lately but this is a bit far. I still can't if the recent Gooch fascination here is legit, a Johan meme or somewhere in between, but as overrated as Chanderpaul's statistics can make him, Gooch isn't really close.

I probably just have Gooch a bit higher than you do and Chanders quite a bit lower than you do.

 

[Prince EWS]

I probably just have Gooch a bit higher than you do and Chanders quite a bit lower than you do.

I think the gaps are probably opposite. I don't think Gooch would make my top 150.

 

[Johan]

I think the gaps are probably opposite. I don't think Gooch would make my top 150.

Damn