Hayden v Chanderpaul

[BazBall21]

Two left handers

 

[shortpitched713]

Two left handers

@PlayerComparisons - Have you taught him via your correspondence course? Good start, but it's missing a little something...

 

[Johan]

Hayden far better.

 

[Johan]

@capt_Luffy all jokes aside, explain to me the case of Hayden<Chanders.

 

[capt_Luffy]

@capt_Luffy all jokes aside, explain to me the case of Hayden<Chanders.

Hayden was conditions limited more significantly.

 

[Johan]

Hayden was conditions limited more significantly.

the Run per inning difference and the batting position difference doesn't bother you at all? as well as the fact their averages are also even (with Hayden having advantage) without minnows?

 

[capt_Luffy]

the Run per inning difference and the batting position difference doesn't bother you at all? as well as the fact their averages are also even (with Hayden having advantage) without minnows?

Hayden did bashed his fair share of minnows. Tbf I find all 3 of the big 2000s openers quite restrictive and with ample limitations. I literally rank them with a difference of a single spot.

 

[Johan]

Hayden did bashed his fair share of minnows. Tbf I find all 3 of the big 2000s openers quite restrictive and with ample limitations. I literally rank them with a difference of a single spot.

man, c'mon, Cook is better than Chanderpaul, c'mon.

 

[capt_Luffy]

man, c'mon, Cook is better than Chanderpaul, c'mon.

He is very close to him, Chanders better longevity.

 

[Coronis]

Tbf I find all 3 of the big 2000s openers quite restrictive and with ample limitations. I literally rank them with a difference of a single spot.

It is a little sad that we have not had a true ATG opener play for almost 40 years now. Perhaps Jaiswal might buck that trend. Then again, perhaps not.

 

[Johan]

He is very close to him, Chanders better longevity.

what series or achievement did Chanderpaul have in his career than can be compared with Cook leading England to series win in Australia after 25 years and a series win in India?

 

[Johan]

It is a little sad that we have not had a true ATG opener play for almost 40 years now. Perhaps Jaiswal might buck that trend. Then again, perhaps not.

feel like he'll eventually go to 3 or 4, that's where India seems to play their best batters

 

[Coronis]

feel like he'll eventually go to 3 or 4, that's where India seems to play their best batters

Well there’ll be plenty of space all throughout the middle order at this rate.

 

[capt_Luffy]

what series or achievement did Chanderpaul have in his career than can be compared with Cook leading England to series win in Australia after 25 years and a series win in India?

Cook was Great in those 2 series, but has his own consistency issues. Shiv also largely didn't play in a challenger team

 

[Johan]

Well there’ll be plenty of space all throughout the middle order at this rate.

reckon that number 4 spot will be open after the England series.

 

[BazBall21]

Shiv does have a better away record than Hayden. It boils down to if you think that's exclusively down to batting positions or a combination of that and Chanderpaul being more skilled. I suspect he was a better player of lateral movement.

 

[BazBall21]

I do think T20 has hindered the standard of top 3 batsmen. Don't think it's entirely coincidental that the standard of top 3 batsmen is now at an all time low.

 

[BazBall21]

He is very close to him, Chanders better longevity.

I voted Chanderpaul in that comparison but I suspect if Cook batted 5&6 on some pretty dull pitches instead of opening in England during the emergence of a very bowler-friendly era he would have played more than 12 years.

 

[Johan]

Cook was Great in those 2 series, but has his own consistency issues. Shiv also largely didn't play in a challenger team

that's not really an excuse, Cook has higher output than him and has more quality output, and that's while he is opening against dukes in England while Shiv played at number 5 and 6 on slow, dead Windies pitches of 2000s...

honestly, I'm legit struggling to get Shiv over Cook.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I voted Chanderpaul in that comparison but I suspect if Cook batted 5&6 on some pretty dull pitches instead of opening in England during the emergence of a very bowler-friendly era he would have played more than 12 years.

Probably would. But Cook seemed burnt out really quickly (in terms of years obvs, I still get baffled he played 145 Tests IIRC)