Disagree with Lillee. He'd had a lot of injuries over the years and 34 is a very reasonable age for a quick to retire. He was basically done. Chappell was the retirement that has always seemed very convenient to me.
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Greg Chappell vs Ricky Ponting
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kyear2
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I didn't nearly intimate the others though, lol.
Coronis
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Why was it convenient?
He was still at an age where a middle order batsman could reasonably be expected to continue and decided not to just when the biggest test of his measure came around. The majority of the other ATG batsmen played beyond that age and took a hit to their averages by doing so. I think that Chappell's retirement at that moment was convenient for him and makes his record look better than it would if he had batted a couple of years longer, like Ponting for example.
Slifer
International Captain
His last test was a month or two before Australia's tour to the WI in 1984. Don't know about the convenient part but I assume that's what he meant....
centurymaker
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Exactly.
Chappell retired at 35 (....87 tests)
Border at 39 (...150 tests)
Waugh at 38.5 (..168 tests)
Ponting at 38 (...168 tests)
Kallis at 38 (...166 tests)
Dravid at 39 (...164 tests)
Tendukar 40.5 (...200 tests)
B Lara at 37.5 (.....131 Tests)
Gavaskar at 38 (...124 tests)
Richards at 39 (....124 tests)
Sobers at 38 (..... 93 tests)
Hutton at 39 (.....79 tests)
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centurymaker
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One is not like the others.
He is even sneaky enough to instruct his brother to bowl underarm delivery
He is even sneaky enough to instruct his brother to bowl underarm delivery
The number of Tests mean little to me provided the player plays most of the Tests in the time frame. A lot of the Tests Chappell missed were for the understandable reason of trying to proffesionalise cricket globally too. My main issue with him is he mostly played in an age range that would generally be considered peak years and, in particular, didn't leave opportunity for a decline. I tend to rate him a bit lower for that.
This has nothing to do with his batting though.One is not like the others.
He is even sneaky enough to instruct his brother to bowl underarm delivery
capt_Luffy
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centurymaker
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Chappell didn't play in India at all,
plus only 4 tests in Asia,
plus just 5 tests in West Indies (all in 1973!) before any of Roberts, Holding & Garner.
He only played in Aus 65% and England 20% (avg 40) and 15% in all other countries put together.
Ponting > Border > Chappell
plus only 4 tests in Asia,
plus just 5 tests in West Indies (all in 1973!) before any of Roberts, Holding & Garner.
He only played in Aus 65% and England 20% (avg 40) and 15% in all other countries put together.
Ponting > Border > Chappell
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subshakerz
International Coach
No reason to penalise Chappell IMO.
If only considering Tests then yeah.
But other players average a lot higher if you give them a Chappell level time frame.
subshakerz
International Coach
It's their choice when they retire and they should own their record. I may concede that Ponting felt a need to artificially extend his career for team reasons tho.
For example, ABD chose to end his career in his prime when he could have bumped his average a few points. I can't rate him higher based on how I think he may have done.
He felt the team would be worse off without him, even past his best, and imo was correct about that. Same with Gordon Greenidge. I'm confident that mid 80s Aus would have benefitted from Chappell still being around even if it affected Chappell's averages. I will absolutely judge high end players for this kind of thing as it does imo inflate averages compared to players who played more outside peak eras, which is most ATG bats.
subshakerz
International Coach
Sure to each their own. It doesn't matter if Chappell averages 54 or 51 to me in my judgment tho.
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Chappell would have smashed the Indian spinners around at that time. He was a terrific player of spin and they were comparatively hapless.
Having said that, he didn't tour there so we can't objectively know.
I rate Ponting higher than him because GC used to pick and choose his tours a bit too much for my liking.
For example, if he'd toured England in 81 Aus would have won that series in a canter. It should go against him in terms of his record that he didn't.
subshakerz
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Why didn't he go?
Burgey
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He was just worn out I think. He'd had the underarm thing in the preceding summer and he's said since then he was mentally shot. It was a weird time in Aus cricket with the putting back together after WSC. Guys were well paid cf before hand, but I think he also had some business interests which he wanted to work on.
Don't get me wrong, he was a properly great player. But for me when you're choosing between players of a similar calibre, that sort of thing comes into it. It doesn't for everyone, but each to their own.
Don't get me wrong, he was a properly great player. But for me when you're choosing between players of a similar calibre, that sort of thing comes into it. It doesn't for everyone, but each to their own.