KungFu_Kallis
International 12th Man
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*Official* England in India 2023/24 #CryMoreTour
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Starfighter
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Firstly, not every ball has overspin. You even sometimes encounter spinners who spin deliveries backwards (that's how some leggier' sliders work, and you often see backspinning finger spinners at club level). Secondly, the gross overall trajectory is important. Spinners have a steeper trajectory. A good length is significantly fuller for a spinner for a reason - they bounce it more from that length. Thirdly, pretty sure Hawkeye models using the actual trajectory of the ball (it would struggle with swing otherwise because it's a aerodynamic effect). Even though the projection beyond impact is presumably modelled ballistically I doubt the remaining topspin after pitching over the short distance is enough to alter the trajectory as much as is being implied here.
Molehill
International Captain
I think they should, Anderson/Robinson generally keep it tight and would offer some form of control. Unsurprisingly, Hartley couldn't provide that. My guess is they'd be more like 80-2 instead of 118-1 now.
KungFu_Kallis
International 12th Man
Robinson doesn't spin the ball as much as Hartley at a similar pace
Molehill
International Captain
Got a feeling Robinson might get more movement off it though. 400 FC wickets at under 21 suggests he does something right.
KungFu_Kallis
International 12th Man
Starfighter
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Looking at the thread title and this being the #CryMoreTour, can the IPL thread be called the #MyCroreTour?
A typically brutal day of test cricket for the tourists in India.
As we all know, we only have one test quality spinner - Jack Leach, and in India you aren't going to get away with the likes of Hartley.
You have to feel for Hartley, given a role in the side that he simply can't perform and he was brutally exposed by Jaiswal in particular.
It's not talking with the benefits hindsight as many of us were saying before the test that we should play either Jimmy or Robinson to try to give us an element of control in the field.
This looks like being a very long series for us, as we always suspected it would be.
As we all know, we only have one test quality spinner - Jack Leach, and in India you aren't going to get away with the likes of Hartley.
You have to feel for Hartley, given a role in the side that he simply can't perform and he was brutally exposed by Jaiswal in particular.
It's not talking with the benefits hindsight as many of us were saying before the test that we should play either Jimmy or Robinson to try to give us an element of control in the field.
This looks like being a very long series for us, as we always suspected it would be.
chris.hinton
International Captain
Horrible day of Cricket. We need to actually stop the arrogance
KungFu_Kallis
International 12th Man
That is actually what we are doing sir
Bans should be handed out if this doesn't happen.
Nintendo
Cricketer Of The Year
This stuff is usually pretty subjective, but picking Hartley over Dawson, who does the same job but is better in every way, older, and coming off a better county season seems pretty daft. I seriously doubt contributes less with the bat, and bowls as many boundary balls as Hartley did.
KungFu_Kallis
International 12th Man
Nintendo
Cricketer Of The Year
Hartley got a few to absolutely rip in between the nonsense dismissal's and the indian spinners got a fair bit out of it, didn't they? Not saying there wasn't some daft shot's in there (crawley a good example), but I think there's more in the deck then your giving it credit for.