Which Indian team wins in India?

[CricAddict]

Yikes. I never get the Harbi hate by some Indian posters on this forum.


Disagree.

But I do get your Ashwin-Jaddu hate. It is so evident in all the threads and posts you make. FYI I don't hate anyone. Why tf will I hate Harbi. He just isn't close to Ash-Jaddu in terms of his bowling.

 

[CricAddict]

Yikes. I never get the Harbi hate by some Indian posters on this forum.


Disagree.

You disagree or not, that's the truth.

 

[subshakerz]

But your arguments are seriously hilarious. Kohli's opposition are all inferior and so Kohli's team won over them all so easily while Dhoni's team don't have such a win-loss record since their opposition were all tough?

Pitches plus Ashwin/Jadeja spin quality plus Kohli ruthlessness plus poorer opposition are the reasons for his steller home record.

SL, Australia, England, WI, SA teams that Kohli faced at home were all inferior to the sides a decade earlier.

 

[subshakerz]

You disagree or not, that's the truth.

It isnt though. Kohli's teams has a longer lower order but is there anyone as good a player of spin as Laxman or Sehwag, or even Dhoni?

 

[CricAddict]

Pitches plus Ashwin/Jadeja spin quality plus Kohli ruthlessness plus poorer opposition are the reasons for his steller home record.

SL, Australia, England, WI, SA teams that Kohli faced at home were all inferior to the sides a decade earlier.

Someone in Bradman's era will say that all the teams in 90s were inferior to the 50s. A Federer fan will say that Carlos Alcaraz is nowhere near Federer or all opposition that Carlos faced are inferior to Federer's. You are doing the same thing. Understand that the world doesn't work that way, bro. All teams cannot suddenly be worse.

 

[CricAddict]

It isnt though. Kohli's teams has a longer lower order but is there anyone as good a player of spin as Laxman or Sehwag, or even Dhoni?

I love that line-up a lot and do consider them better than this current line-up. But as a XI, both teams will score equally due to the strong lower order.

 

[Prince EWS]

Series to be played in the same home pitches used against SA in 2015. You can decide your own batting order and alterations of the lineup.

India mid-2000s

Sehwag
Gambir
Dravid
Tendulkar
Laxman
Yuvraj
Dhoni - c
Zaheer
Sreesanth
Harbi
Kumble

vs

India late-2010s

Rohit
KL Rahul
Pujara
Kohli - c
Rahane
Pant
Jadeja
Ashwin
Ishant
Shami
Bumrah

Team Dhoni has better batting and Team Kohli has better spinners, but not really by heaps in either direction if we're talking about these players at their peaks (more recent dire Kohli/Pujara versions obviously different). The tipping points for me are that I think Team Kohli has significantly better quicks and better balance (bats deeper, also has five bowlers rather than four).

 

[subshakerz]

Someone in Bradman's era will say that all the teams in 90s were inferior to the 50s. A Federer fan will say that Carlos Alcaraz is nowhere near Federer or all opposition that Carlos faced are inferior to Federer's. You are doing the same thing. Understand that the world doesn't work that way, bro. All teams cannot suddenly be worse.

Just review the sides in question yourself rather than going your hunches.

 

[CricAddict]

Team Dhoni has better batting and Team Kohli has better spinners, but not really by heaps in either direction if we're talking about these players at their peaks (more recent dire Kohli/Pujara versions obviously different). The tipping points for me are that I think Team Kohli has significantly better quicks and better balance (bats deeper, also has five bowlers rather than four).

Totally agreed. For some reason, subs is not able to understand this simple point.

 

[CricAddict]

Just review the sides in question yourself rather than going your hunches.

I am not going by hunches. You are going by dreams that all teams in previous era were better than current era.

 

[subshakerz]

Team Dhoni has better batting and Team Kohli has better spinners, but not really by heaps in either direction if we're talking about these players at their peaks (more recent dire Kohli/Pujara versions obviously different). The tipping points for me are that I think Team Kohli has significantly better quicks and better balance (bats deeper, also has five bowlers rather than four).

Better pacers is a decent point in removing the openers before the spin comes into the equation.

I just think over a course of an entire series, better batting will shine through as a key difference.

 

[subshakerz]

I am not going by hunches. You are going by dreams that all teams in previous era were better than current era.

Lol no. Mid/late 2000s SA had Steyn, Kallis, etc., SL had Murali, Sanga, Australia were tops, etc.

Again, just review the teams Kohli faced.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Yikes. I never get the Harbi hate by some Indian posters on this forum.

He was **** bar about the first 20 tests.

Edit: Since 2006, he averaged 37.53 from 53 tests, including an awful average of nearly 35+ at home.

 

[Xix2565]

Lol no. Mid/late 2000s SA had Steyn, Kallis, etc., SL had Murali, Sanga, Australia were tops, etc.

Again, just review the teams Kohli faced.

Are you reviewing or imagining? Be real here and stop lying please.

 

[subshakerz]

He was **** bar about the first 20 tests.

Edit: Since 2006, he averaged 37.53 from 53 tests, including an awful average of nearly 35+ at home.

Still a better away bowler at that time than Ashwin/Jadeja though.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Still a better away bowler at that time than Ashwin/Jadeja though.

Yea with a 40 average…

Ashwin and Jadeja are never averaging 35+ at home

 

[subshakerz]

Yea with a 40 average…

Ashwin and Jadeja are never averaging 35+ at home

I think Jadeja might if he debuts in the 2000s given his MO.

 

[CricAddict]

Better pacers is a decent point in removing the openers before the spin comes into the equation.

I just think over a course of an entire series, better batting will shine through as a key difference.

This is just horses for courses argument you are adopting here like you did on rating away records. Over a course of a series, bowling proves to be the difference.

 

[CricAddict]

Lol no. Mid/late 2000s SA had Steyn, Kallis, etc., SL had Murali, Sanga, Australia were tops, etc.

Again, just review the teams Kohli faced.

This is a futile point and it is futile to argue with you on this. You will never come out of the act of not understanding it.

The Australia team was good and I agree with you on that point. But the quality of opposition is not much different between other teams and now.

 

[CricAddict]

I think Jadeja might if he debuts in the 2000s given his MO.

Jadeja will be averaging 60+ with the bat on those 2000s pitches that you refer to him averaging 35+ with the ball.