Ravindra Jadeja vs Saqlain Mushtaq

[Sunil1z]

If Saqlain is as good as Jadeja because home wickets , then is Rishabh Pant better Test bat than Babar Azam ?

 

[subshakerz]

Only 4 spinners have taken over 10 wickets in all matches involving Jadeja in WEANS and all of them average over 30. Substantiates the fact I have said above on boards preparing pitches negating spin in the matches involving him.

Wow so Eng/NZ boards suddenly discovered how to neutralize foreign spinners when the feared Jadeja came around? Would have helped them when Murali and Warne were ripping them to shreds.

 

[Sunil1z]

Wow so Eng/NZ boards suddenly discovered how to neutralize foreign spinners when the feared Jadeja came around? Would have helped them when Murali and Warne were ripping them to shreds.

Even Pakistan dropped Yasir” Better than Ashwin “ Shah while playing in NZ . Do you even watch matches ?

 

[R!TTER]

Their batting was generally sh!t then and there was no Jimmy or Boult either. Who would taken advantage of those clouds?

 

[Bolo.]

People really need to stop equivocating conditions that are good for batting with good for bowling of all types. It's more appropriate to talk about bowling conditions being good for a bowler of a particular type than claiming it as flat/spicy when assessing a bowler (although obviously the latter distinction exists as well, and should be taken into account).

 

[subshakerz]

If Saqlain is as good as Jadeja because home wickets , then is Rishabh Pant better Test bat than Babar Azam ?

Home wickets is all Jadeja has to boast about in record.

 

[Coronis]

People really need to stop equivocating conditions that are good for batting with good for bowling of all types. It's more appropriate to talk about bowling conditions being good for a bowler of a particular type than claiming it as flat/spicy when assessing a bowler (although obviously the latter distinction exists as well, and should be taken into account).

Never.

Sangakkara batted in the easiest conditions of his time and Murali bowled on the most helpful wickets of his time. This is undisputed CW fact.

 

[Sunil1z]

Home wickets is all Jadeja has to boast about in record.

Like home centuries is the only thing Babar Azam can boast .
Both Babar Azam and Jadeja have same number of Test century outside Asia.

 

[subshakerz]

Even Pakistan dropped Yasir” Better than Ashwin “ Shah while playing in NZ . Do you even watch matches ?

Yeah but they didnt prepare greentops just to neutralize him.

 

[Sunil1z]

Yeah but they didnt prepare greentops just to neutralize him.

Then why would teams prepare green top?
Many SENA teams prepare wickets that gives them best chance of winning and in turn can also neutralise spin bowling .

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

It's not a good comparison in my opinion , Saqlain Mushtaq was a specialist bowler and Ravindra Jadeja is a genuine all rounder, bowling dynamics definitely are impacted when it's not the only major responsibility of a cricketer for a Test match which has happened to Jadeja on many occasions.

 

[subshakerz]

Then why would teams prepare green top?
Many SENA teams prepare wickets that gives them best chance of winning and in turn can also neutralise spin bowling .

Because it suits their own pacers first.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Only 4 spinners have taken over 10 wickets in all matches involving Jadeja in WEANS and all of them average over 30. Substantiates the fact I have said above on boards preparing pitches negating spin in the matches involving him.

Yeah this is definitely true. Particularly in the case of NZ/ SA where they seem to actively ensure that pitches don't spin. England still provides balanced pitches tho.

 

[Sunil1z]

Because it suits their own pacers first.

And it also makes spin bowlers a non entity .
Do you really believe that green-tops don’t neutralise spin threat ?

 

[Sunil1z]

Yeah this is definitely true. Particularly in the case of NZ/ SA where they seem to actively ensure that pitches don't spin. England still provides balanced pitches tho.

Even England is going down NZ/SA path .
In the recently concluded IND-ENG series spinners of both sides took total 15 wkts in 5 Test ( Not even 10% )

 

[TheJediBrah]

Then why would teams prepare green top?
Many SENA teams prepare wickets that gives them best chance of winning and in turn can also neutralise spin bowling .

You've been saying **** like this for years and never seem to get it when it's explained to you

Not every pitch is made to suit someone. Most of the time that's just how the soil/conditions dictate it to turn out. Pitch doctoring definitely happens, but it's not the norm in most places. It's rare for a SENA team to prepare a pitch to negate spin bowling, I can't recall it ever happening in a game I've seen though I'm sure it probably has. I don't follow NZ test cricket (obviously, yawn) so maybe it's happened there I don't know.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Jadeja wins more matches for India than Saqlain did for Pakistan

Saqlain was an amazing ODI bowler, a good test bowler too but think he was slightly overrated in the format.

Having said that it is close - Jadeja isn’t some ATG spinner.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Even England is going down NZ/SA path .
In the recently concluded IND-ENG series spinners of both sides took total 15 wkts in 5 Test ( Not even 10% )

That's partly because India picked Jadeja and not Ashwin.

 

[Sunil1z]

You've been saying **** like this for years and never seem to get it when it's explained to you

Not every pitch is made to suit someone. Most of the time that's just how the soil/conditions dictate it to turn out. Pitch doctoring definitely happens, but it's not the norm in most places. It's rare for a SENA team to prepare a pitch to negate spin bowling, I can't recall it ever happening in a game I've seen though I'm sure it probably has. I don't follow NZ test cricket (obviously, yawn) so maybe it's happened there I don't know.

When you prepare green tops 95% of spinners are automatically neutralised unless you are Murali/ Warne .

The thing is even dust bowls aid reverse swing so fast bowlers don’t get completely neutralised . Whereas on green tops spin definitely gets neutralised.

 

[TheJediBrah]

When you prepare green tops in 95% of spinners are automatically neutralised unless you are Murali/ Warne .

The thing is even dust bowls aid reverse swing so fast bowlers don’t get completely neutralised . Whereas on green tops spin definitely gets neutralised.

I don't think so. Spinners are more neutralised on a flat-hard Australian road than on a green top. The difference is on a green top spinners are less useful when compared to seam bowling. It's not that spin is neutralised, it's that seam bowling is so effective that you wouldn't really bowl a spinner when you could bowl a seamer.

But regardless the point is most of the time you get a green wicket it's not with the express purpose of combating spin bowling