All time Asian-XI

[subshakerz]

In hindsight it might appear that I have been partial to Indians, but in reality I have been not.
I have given valid reasons for those non Indians whom I excluded namely Imran,Waqar,Miandad,Younis Khan & , Murali . Can you neglect my claims?
Imran & Waqar were the utmost beneficiaries of ball tampering.

Miandad's & Younis Khan's record pales in comparison to those middle order batsmen whom I selected. Only Laxman's average is inferior to their average. But their positions & there by the roles in the team were chalk and cheese different. Laxman was a 6th down batsman whose role in the team was to shield tail enders and to score maximum runs in their company.
He was an expert in that role and also played some crucial match winning innings from that position. Such a difficult position to achieve high bat average .Even more remarkable has been his uniform success across nations despite batting at such lower batting position. What not , he proved that he could play higher up the order too ,if required.

Then Murali remains. Check Jadeja's & Murali's record. Jadeja achieved <25 average with out any controversy w.r.t his action.If he has poor average in 2 countries, so has Murali. And he is a 36+ averaging batsman to go with it.

So all in all where has I gone wrong? If you can dismiss my claims logically, only happy to accept that.

Kapil and co also benefitted from ball tampering, Don't pretend that they didnt. And Imran sans ball tampering is still superior to Kapil. Same with Waqar as a bowler.

You already slipped Sanga down to 5 so you can put Younis or Miandad at 5 or 6 and they will still give you more than Laxman.

Pant and Bumrah are way too early. Enough time for a bad run of form to end up with middling returns.

Murali vs Jadeja who hasn't won a game outside SC is too silly a comparison.

 

[Sunil1z]

Kapil and co also benefitted from ball tampering, Don't pretend that they didnt. And Imran sans ball tampering is still superior to Kapil. Same with Waqar as a bowler.

You already slipped Sanga down to 5 so you can put Younis or Miandad at 5 or 6 and they will still give you more than Laxman.

Pant and Bumrah are way too early. Enough time for a bad run of form to end up with middling returns.

Murali vs Jadeja who hasn't won a game outside SC is too silly a comparison.

Do you really need to reply to every post. Sometimes ignoring is the best option.

 

[rtramdas]

Kapil and co also benefitted from ball tampering, Don't pretend that they didnt. And Imran sans ball tampering is still superior to Kapil. Same with Waqar as a bowler.

You already slipped Sanga down to 5 so you can put Younis or Miandad at 5 or 6 and they will still give you more than Laxman.

Pant and Bumrah are way too early. Enough time for a bad run of form to end up with middling returns.

Murali vs Jadeja who hasn't won a game outside SC is too silly a comparison.

Kapil benefitted from ball tampering??? Can you provide any evidence? If required, I can provide even 15 game associated men who quoted Imran's name w.r.t ball tampering.

3,4,5 are middle order positions. Only ' 3 ' of these is a bit more important . Dravid assures his position there. Then 1, 2 & 6 are so specialist positions and soo different from other positions in batting order. Hence it makes no sense in placing a middle order batsman in 6th position.

Pant has already played some clutch inns which even any specialist batsman has not played in their entire career. Bumrah has 128 wkts with 21.99 average. I dont' find any other fast bowling contender from Asia with 'clean record & adequate longevity' who is even remotely close to Bumrah.

I already said about Murali's drawbacks & Jadeja's additional qualities.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Kapil benefitted from ball tampering??? Can you provide any evidence? If required, I can provide even 15 game associated men who quoted Imran's name w.r.t ball tampering.

3,4,5 are middle order positions. Only ' 3 ' of these is a bit more important . Dravid assures his position there. Then 1, 2 & 6 are so specialist positions and soo different from other positions in batting order. Hence it makes no sense in placing a middle order batsman in 6th position.

Pant has already played some clutch inns which even any specialist batsman has not played in their entire career. Bumrah has 128 wkts with 21.99 average. I dont' find any other fast bowling contender from Asia with 'clean record & adequate longevity' who is even remotely close to Bumrah.

I already said about Murali's drawbacks & Jadeja's additional qualities.

Why is Kapil batting 9? You'd be better off replacing Kapil with Shoaib and batting Wasim at 9.

 

[subshakerz]

Do you really need to reply to every post. Sometimes ignoring is the best option.

You are correct.

 

[ankitj]

Top 10 adjusted ODI SRs as per my sheet (which is just ratio of batsman's SR to overall SR in their active years):

GJ Maxwell
JC Buttler
IVA Richards
V Sehwag
Zaheer Abbas
AC Gilchrist
A Symonds
AB de Villiers
ST Jayasuriya
L Klusener

Top 10 ODI ERs version of the same with little bit of fudging to eliminate Afghan players and those with fewer than 100 wickets.

Rashid Khan
J Garner
SM Pollock
CEL Ambrose
SP Narine
RJ Hadlee
PS de Villiers
MA Holding
Saeed Ajmal
Mohammad Nabi
Mohammad Hafeez
M Muralitharan
GD McGrath

If I were to eliminate Hafeez too, Bumrah enters the list.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

test eleven

Gavaskar
Sehwag //monster in Asian conditions, 'str: , avg:, being opener combo ' makes it good enough in SENA + WI too.
Dravid
Sachin
Sangakkara
VVS Laxman //clutch pressure player, uniform record in all nations, great stats for his position
Ravindra Jadeja // lone spinner. great average , though a bit inflated by spin friendly home conditions,
Rishabh Pant (wk) // even his short career exploits with bat enough to easily surpass other big names.
Kapil Dev(c) // all rounder
Wasim Akram
Jasprit Bumrah // though short a career till date, 21.99 avg: in this multi camera era enough to surpass other big names


notable omissions : Imran, Waqar - benefitted hugely from ball tampering
Miandad, Younis, Kohli - slightly misses out because names in the actual eleven has been better
Muralitharan // controversy w.r.t action

Why Akram though? He also tampered with the ball plus he was a match fixer.

He's extremely overrated. Imran was a better fast bowler.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Sachin
Sangakkara (+)
YK (or Miandad. Or maybe Kohli. Not much in it.)
Jadeja
Imran
Akram
Murali
Waqar

 

[trundler]

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Sachin
Sangakkara (+)
YK (or Miandad. Or maybe Kohli. Not much in it.)
Jadeja
Imran
Akram
Murali
Waqar

Boo, it's more fun if you're not sensible.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Boo, it's more fun if you're not sensible.

You make an excellent point.

Revised list:

Sehwag
Sehwag
Sangakkara
Kallis
Sachin
Jadeja
Imran
Kapil Simon Doull
Akmal (+)
Ajmal (because Murali was a chucker I guess)
Shoaib

 

[trundler]

You make an excellent point.

Revised list:

Sehwag
Sehwag
Sangakkara
Kallis
Sachin
Jadeja
Imran
Kapil Simon Doull
Akmal (+)
Ajmal (because Murali was a chucker I guess)
Shoaib

Needs more Vaas. Greatest exponent of reverse swing and had Lara on a string IIRC.

 

[rtramdas]

Why is Kapil batting 9? You'd be better off replacing Kapil with Shoaib and batting Wasim at 9.

Though their end averages are a bit wider in favour of Shoaib , if we take into account the adversities that affected Kapil's end average namely longevity, support bowling strength & work density , the gap narrows considerably. There are ample evidences in the form of patches if we dissect Kapil's bowling stats on the basis of time periods. For instance , in his first 62 tests Kapil took 247 wkts ( 4 wkts/test ) @27.7 in mere 5.5 years and with very weak support bowling strength. Like wise, many sub stats. Having said that , Shoaib was no saint either.

Almost all Pakistani pacers tampered with ball, admits Shoaib

www.thehindu.com

Again, I don't rate him as his average suggests because of that.

 

[trundler]

Though their end averages are a bit wider in favour of Shoaib , if we take into account the adversities that affected Kapil's end average namely longevity, support bowling strength & work density , the gap narrows considerably. There are ample evidences in the form of patches if we dissect Kapil's bowling stats on the basis of time periods. For instance , in his first 62 tests Kapil took 247 wkts ( 4 wkts/test ) @27.7 in mere 5.5 years and with very weak support bowling strength. Like wise, many sub stats. Having said that , Shoaib was no saint either.

Almost all Pakistani pacers tampered with ball, admits Shoaib

www.thehindu.com

Again, I don't rate him as his average suggests because of that.

ATG saltposting here.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Needs more Vaas. Greatest exponent of reverse swing and had Lara on a string IIRC.

This is completely undisputable.

However, he did it without any sort of assistance which isn't what I'm looking for in my team. Win if you can, lose if you must but always cheat.

 

[Prince EWS]

Kapil and co also benefitted from ball tampering, Don't pretend that they didnt. And Imran sans ball tampering is still superior to Kapil. Same with Waqar as a bowler.

You already slipped Sanga down to 5 so you can put Younis or Miandad at 5 or 6 and they will still give you more than Laxman.

Pant and Bumrah are way too early. Enough time for a bad run of form to end up with middling returns.

Murali vs Jadeja who hasn't won a game outside SC is too silly a comparison.

What does this have to do with Kallis?

 

[trundler]

This is completely undisputable.

However, he did it without any sort of assistance which isn't what I'm looking for in my team. Win if you can, lose if you must but always cheat.

Needs more Ashwin then.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Needs more Ashwin then.

He can replace Jadeja in the line up, but Jadeja will do all his fielding.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

What does this have to do with Kallis?

Kapil > Kallis

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Gavaskar
Majid Khan
Tendulkar
Kailis
Viswanath
Kapil Dev
Engineer
Imran
Akram
Bedi
Murali

 

[rtramdas]

Why Akram though? He also tampered with the ball plus he was a match fixer.

He's extremely overrated. Imran was a better fast bowler.

He might have tampered too... But he was that much skilled a bowler so much so that his performance wouldn't have dipped too much even with out that unfair tactics. He was always at least a 26-27.5 averaging calibre bowler. Remember how lots of his contemporary batsmen rated him so highly. WRT fixing, if any fixing only adversely affects one's performance, isn't it? A bowler can't over perform when fixing matches, only
under perform...isn't it? That implies, with out fixing , that bowler would have been a better one at it. Isn't it? Having said that , there is no doubt that there is this matter of morality associated with this act. Hence I accept that Akram's selection in my team is a bit questionable. Still I go with him because there is no doubt w.r.t to his natural calibre as a fast bowler.