6th-10th best allrounders of the past 30 years

[Fuller Pilch]

It is fairly overwhelming that Kallis, Shakib, Pollock, Stokes, and Jadeja are considered the 5 best allrounders of the past 30 years, but what about the 6th -10th best. Hopefully this should be a bit closer and more interesting.

 

[Prince EWS]

I really wish you wouldn't include Green on these polls lol. It's such a different situation there.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I really wish you wouldn't include Green on these polls lol. It's such a different situation there.

There's no time limit on the poll. You can vote for Green (or Mayers) in 5 years if you want.

 

[Prince EWS]

There's no time limit on the poll. You can vote for Green (or Mayers) in 5 years if you want.

Yeah exactly, that's precisely why it could make the results weird.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Yeah exactly, that's precisely why it could make the results weird.

He has played 14 tests though which is twice as many as Mike Procter.

 

[Prince EWS]

Yeah Procter shouldn't be on the poll either. ?

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Yeah Procter shouldn't be on the poll either. ?

I know. He didn't play in the last 30 years.

 

[Bolo.]

Other than Cairns and Flintoff, everyone on this list has question marks over quality, enough games, or whether they should be considered an AR at all.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Other than Cairns and Flintoff, everyone on this list has question marks over quality, enough games, or whether they should be considered an AR at all.

Can't agree. No question marks on those criteria over McMillan, Vettori, Oram, Watson, Holder, Ashwin (5 test 100s), and De Grandhomme imo.

I understand Green and Mayers (14 and 13 tests respectively) may not have played enough games and some of the batting allrounders may not have taken enough wickets in some eyes.

 

[Athlai]

Ashwin weirdly underrated

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Ashwin weirdly underrated

And Watson weirdly overrated. Holder too (Imranesque at home, but terrible away).

 

[Athlai]

And Watson weirdly overrated. Holder too (massive difference between home and away performances).

3 5fers and 4 100s isn't that bad from Watson really, but he was a fairly poor Test player compared to his limited over exploits

 

[Bolo.]

Can't agree. No question marks on those criteria over McMillan, Vettori, Oram, Watson, Holder, Ashwin (5 test 100s), and De Grandhomme imo.

I understand Green and Mayers (14 and 13 tests respectively) may not have played enough games and some of the batting allrounders may not have taken enough wickets in some eyes.

Mcmillan had 38 games. Less for De Grandhomme and Oram.
Vettori and Holder are bits and pieces overall, with differing question marks (Holder away, Vettori on his disciplines going different directions).
Watson couldn't bowl/could barely bowl for a chunk of his career. Including times when the attack really needed him.
Ashwin has an average in the mid 20s that is in freefall. Not a functioning AR for me, athough he was early career.

 

[Bolo.]

Ashwin weirdly underrated

Doubt there is anyone who thinks he isn't one of the best 5 on this list. Just question marks about whether he should be on the list at all.

 

[Athlai]

Jayasuriya also criminally underrated. I know he was only a bowler in Asia and Africa but what a weapon he was there. Definitely worth talking about in the same breath as blokes like Vettori who were more situationally allrounders.

Asia/Africa only

Jayasuriya 5667 @ 42.29
91W @ 30.70

Everywhere Else

1306 @ 32.65
7W @ 81.71

 

[Xix2565]

Ashwin is quite literally on par with Shaun Pollock on the other thread in terms of output per Test in both disciplines, so this general underrating is bizarre. What exactly is the standard for any form of all-rounders that's being used here?

 

[Athlai]

Ashwin is a gun player. Reckon hes copping it for being Ashwin tho

 

[Fuller Pilch]

What exactly is the standard for any form of all-rounders that's being used here?

Needed to average 25+ with the bat (Benaud 24.5/Tate 25.5 seen as lower limit), so Philander just missed out. Also tried to get players who averaged more with bat than ball - Vettori, Flintoff, Irfan, and Woakes are exceptions, but the former got the 4000 run/300 wicket double, Freddie got 3000/200 and had an amazing Ashes, while Pathan still had decent averages (similar to Flintoff), and Woakes is quite talented. Batting allrounders needed to bowl a bit and be good enough to be at least a 5th bowler.

 

[Xix2565]

Needed to average 25+ with the bat (Benaud 24.5/Tate 25.5 seen as lower limit), so Philander just missed out. Also tried to get players who averaged more with bat than ball - Vettori, Flintoff, Irfan, and Woakes are exceptions, but the former got the 4000 run/300 wicket double, Freddie got 3000/200 and had an amazing Ashes, while Pathan still had decent averages (similar to Flintoff), and Woakes is quite talented. Batting allrounders needed to bowl a bit and be good enough to be at least a 5th bowler.

Well batting averages are subject to eras they played in and quite a lot of the players in the last 30 years, including early Ashwin got the benefit of decent batting conditions in the 2000-2017 era. Personally I do think there needs to be a bit more nuance in looking at batting and bowling contributions.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Well batting averages are subject to eras they played in and quite a lot of the players in the last 30 years, including early Ashwin got the benefit of decent batting conditions in the 2000-2017 era. Personally I do think there needs to be a bit more nuance in looking at batting and bowling contributions.

Ashwin is called a bowling allrounder on both Wikipedia and Cricinfo, so that's good enough for me. He has 5 test 100s and only averages 1 run less than Chris Woakes with the bat.