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Average players who were inexplicably great against strong teams

GoodAreasShane

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Peter Such springs to mind here. Admittedly a small sample size, but he was a strong Ashes performer in an era where England were usually completely outclassed by Australia
 

mr_mister

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Ijaz and Ramps against Australia are the two most interesting to me.

But Bevan also has an interesting test record of performing exceptional against 90s Pakistan and WI and terrible against 90s England
 

subshakerz

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Ijaz and Ramps against Australia are the two most interesting to me.

But Bevan also has an interesting test record of performing exceptional against 90s Pakistan and WI and terrible against 90s England
Ijaz was one of the few Pakistani batsmen who was good at hooking and pulling and didn't mind bounce and would slash outside off with full might. Still, his record against Australia is an interesting anomaly. 4 tons against McGrath!
 

OverratedSanity

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Azhar Mahmood probably has the most skewed record when it comes to something like this. In 6 tests, he averaged 75 with 3 hundreds vs SA when they had Donald and Pollock (all 3 tons with Pakistan in big trouble) , averaged 16 with 0 50+ scores against everyone else in his 15 other tests. I knew his record was great against SA like Op said but shocked he never even crossed 50 against anyone else.
 

mr_mister

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Azhar Mahmood probably has the most skewed record when it comes to something like this. In 6 tests, he averaged 75 with 3 hundreds vs SA when they had Donald and Pollock (all 3 tons with Pakistan in big trouble) , averaged 16 with 0 50+ scores against everyone else in his 15 other tests. I knew his record was great against SA like Op said but shocked he never even crossed 50 against anyone else.
Yeah, and those 3 SA tons were within his first 12 months of being an international cricketer. Him and Razzaq were really exciting prospects for a while, but neither lived up to the hype (Razzaq did okay compared to Mahmood, but I remember him smashing McGrath for 5 boundaries in an over in 99/00 and Bill Lawry carrying on like it was the second coming of Imran)
 

honestbharani

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Azhar Mahmood probably has the most skewed record when it comes to something like this. In 6 tests, he averaged 75 with 3 hundreds vs SA when they had Donald and Pollock (all 3 tons with Pakistan in big trouble) , averaged 16 with 0 50+ scores against everyone else in his 15 other tests. I knew his record was great against SA like Op said but shocked he never even crossed 50 against anyone else.
One of those knocks and a haul was also in RSA IIRC. Phenomenal talent wasted mostly.
 

HookShot

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Ijaz was one of the few Pakistani batsmen who was good at hooking and pulling and didn't mind bounce and would slash outside off with full might. Still, his record against Australia is an interesting anomaly. 4 tons against McGrath!
“The Axeman !”
 

morgieb

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Oh here’s a good one, Stuart Carlisle averaged 40 in tests and 37 in ODIs against Australia.

Career average was 27 in both tests and ODIs.
TBF he only played two Tests against Australia and his ton was against probably the worst attack Australia's put on in my lifetime (for those playing at home - Lee/Williams/Bichel/Hogg - and Lee broke down in that Test too).

Fair cop re: his ODI record though.
 

TheJediBrah

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True. He has very average Test career stats but over-performs against Australia (averaging 18.86) and S.A. (19.10) when he has taken almost half his Test wickets. He's very ordinary against the other 6 Test nations he has played against (29.72).
Not actually as surprising as it might seem. Aus & SA generally not the best players of spin and I'm assuming that a lot of those numbers would be in spin friendly conditions about as far from Aus/SA conditions as you can get. Still unusual for sure but somewhat understandable perhaps
 

subshakerz

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Paul Adams has 5 tests with 23 wickets at 23 against India in the mid-90s. He performed well but went under the radar.

Pat Symcox with the bat averaged 53 in 4 tests against a worldclass Pakistan attack with 1 ton and 2 50s both home and away.
 

Migara

International Coach
One of those knocks and a haul was also in RSA IIRC. Phenomenal talent wasted mostly.
PCB shelled it. They selected only one of them. But it needed both of them to cover bases. If both were playing for Pakistan, with two more seam bowlers and a spinner, they would have achieved lot more.
 

HeathDavisSpeed

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Peter Such springs to mind here. Admittedly a small sample size, but he was a strong Ashes performer in an era where England were usually completely outclassed by Australia
He only played against Australia and NZ, as I recall. He was a good, attacking off-spinner, but his ineptitude with the bat counted against him. Wasn't the best fielder either, really. But should have played more IMO.
 

thierry henry

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Yeah, and those 3 SA tons were within his first 12 months of being an international cricketer. Him and Razzaq were really exciting prospects for a while, but neither lived up to the hype (Razzaq did okay compared to Mahmood, but I remember him smashing McGrath for 5 boundaries in an over in 99/00 and Bill Lawry carrying on like it was the second coming of Imran)
Razzaq was also memorably terrifying with the bat in NZ in 2003/4. Felt like he was casually bopping 6s all over the place. Really has a pretty decent ODI record as an all-rounder and played a huge number of matches. I always felt like he was a very explosive bat and a pretty ho-hum bowler, but his record is pretty balanced between bat and ball.

Always wondered how old Razzaq really was too, like Afridi he supposedly debuted at 16 which I seriously doubt, he seemed like an old man by about 25.
 

HeathDavisSpeed

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Sounds like Phil Tufnell
Yeah - same era too. Certainly, England were not happy to play both. Tufnell being the SLA and Such being the ROS and, as I recall, there was a general feeling at the time that the SLA would generally be more useful. That said, they played together in 3 out of 11 of Such's Tests.
 

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