What to do about tour matches

[the big bambino]

It should. But for some reason it becomes “oh hoho Australia does it too”. That’s no argument or point. It’s the inconinent expression of an uncontrollable prejudice just bcos Steve Waugh hurt their feelings back in the day. Interesting to see Australia are thinking of bringing an A team over for next years ashes and get the test XI to play them instead of a depleted 2nd div county. So it’s a relevant topic and it’s now apparent that boards are starting to act on what they, and fans, have been thinking.

 

[TheJediBrah]

How does a thread about the dry topic of tour matches descend into nationalist ****-waving?

basically this:

Some people are mentally incapable of mediating their choleric prejudice against Australia. For some reason they are as proud of their bigotry like fat bastard was of his dead ***y body. A circle jerk of posters furiously beating themselves off for the entertainment of the whiny passive/aggressive snots who reflexively like their posts.

A disconcertingly large number of people seem to have a frighteningly large inferiority complex/chip on their shoulder with regards to Australia that they can't let a discussion go by without taking nonsensical pot shots.

 

[andmark]

Whatever the cause, it's ****ing stupid

 

[GotSpin]

It should. But for some reason it becomes “oh hoho Australia does it too”. That’s no argument or point. It’s the inconinent expression of an uncontrollable prejudice just bcos Steve Waugh hurt their feelings back in the day. Interesting to see Australia are thinking of bringing an A team over for next years ashes and get the test XI to play them instead of a depleted 2nd div county. So it’s a relevant topic and it’s now apparent that boards are starting to act on what they, and fans, have been thinking.

Is that the case?

 

[morgieb]

I mean it's fair enough to criticise Australia for doing it too, but that doesn't mean that this sucks any less. And I think scheduling sides against weaker XI's is less cynical than giving sides completely different conditions to what will actually happen.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I mean it's fair enough to criticise Australia for doing it too

No it's not

scheduling sides against weaker XI's is less cynical than giving sides completely different conditions to what will actually happen

because that. There's no comparison between the 2. You're being far too generous by comparing Australia (and other host nations) providing weaker XI's for tour matches out of necessity of scheduling and player availability to this sort of deliberate disgrace.

 

[Gnske]

I love gymnastics

 

[the big bambino]

Is that the case?

They will have the A team with test players not part of the World Cup playing fc cricket. If our WC team bow out early then the test players will join the A squad, iirc. There was speculation the squad would be large enough to form games amongst themselves. Tbf it most likely won’t happen, at least as a formal match. Eventually I’m hoping they will realise it’s the only way they’ll get decent prep and in future arrange matches amongst possibles and probables. Either there or here on pitches prepared for conditions they expect.

 

[Adders]

How does a thread about the dry topic of tour matches descend into nationalist ****-waving?

Read the OP for a clue. A perfectly valid and reasonable topic to be discussing, but the way said topic was presented was bound to garner this reaction......you can't have a big Waaahhhh like that and not have people point out that your side is just as bad. And as for throwing the "Cheating" accusation out there........well **** me, seriously??

 

[the big bambino]

Ok. The thread is about tour matches and what visiting sides might have to do in the future to get proper preparation. Can you shyte awful anti Australian **** arses elect a representative and post once and screw off instead of walking in one by one like inebriates and hurling up the contents of your sterile minds.

 

[harsh.ag]

Ok. The thread is about tour matches and what visiting sides might have to do in the future to get proper preparation. Can you shyte awful anti Australian **** arses elect a representative and post once and screw off instead of walking in one by one like inebriates and hurling up the contents of your sterile minds.

No

 

[Starfighter]

Read the OP for a clue. A perfectly valid and reasonable topic to be discussing, but the way said topic was presented was bound to garner this reaction......you can't have a big Waaahhhh like that and not have people point out that your side is just as bad. And as for throwing the "Cheating" accusation out there........well **** me, seriously??

Except 'our' side is not as bad, unfortunately you like like several others have been keen to rush in like fools without really considering the major part of the issue at hand.

 

[harsh.ag]

The whole thread would have gone more smoothly if TJB hadn't used "blatant cheating" in the OP.

 

[GotSpin]

They will have the A team with test players not part of the World Cup playing fc cricket. If our WC team bow out early then the test players will join the A squad, iirc. There was speculation the squad would be large enough to form games amongst themselves. Tbf it most likely won’t happen, at least as a formal match. Eventually I’m hoping they will realise it’s the only way they’ll get decent prep and in future arrange matches amongst possibles and probables. Either there or here on pitches prepared for conditions they expect.

Where are they playing FC? In England already?

 

[the big bambino]

In England but the schedule hasn’t been settled yet. Games to take place around the time of the WC next year

 

[harsh.ag]

Visiting sides getting more prep via competitive tour matches is not something reasonable to expect now. You professionalize a sport, pay everyone big salaries, hire coaches and staff and selectors based on results/expected results, then you incentivize this behaviour. Add to it compressed schedules due to LOs and T20 leagues, and it's gonna happen.

At least it is alleviated by latest technology, more money leading to teams being able to get their own training sessions with hired help and prepared pitches, and less need for acclimatization than earlier.

 

[Flem274*]

Ok. The thread is about tour matches and what visiting sides might have to do in the future to get proper preparation. Can you shyte awful anti Australian **** arses elect a representative and post once and screw off instead of walking in one by one like inebriates and hurling up the contents of your sterile minds.

fancy supporting the country that produced bradman and being this precious

steve needs to drop his schtick but the rest of us will stop mocking your posters when they stop comparing their glass ornaments to the 80s windies quicks and other such dribble

 

[the big bambino]

fancy supporting the country that produced bradman and being this precious

steve needs to drop his schtick but the rest of us will stop mocking your posters when they stop comparing their glass ornaments to the 80s windies quicks and other such dribble

Are you that stupid you need to be told how to be feeling right now? I’m not accepting any deal on the condition you’ll stop acting like a jackass. Cause that’s what you’re being and you need telling. Just in case you’ve been encouraged by all the fist pumps and woot woots of those who egg you guys on just to see you make more fools of yourselves.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Read the OP for a clue. A perfectly valid and reasonable topic to be discussing, but the way said topic was presented was bound to garner this reaction......you can't have a big Waaahhhh like that and not have people point out that your side is just as bad. And as for throwing the "Cheating" accusation out there........well **** me, seriously??

The whole thread would have gone more smoothly if TJB hadn't used "blatant cheating" in the OP.

Sure I could have made the OP more even-toned and less provocative but that would have been boring af and what would be the point of posting on an onfline forum if you're just going to be boring.

ftr I genuinely think it is blatant cheating, just because ICC haven't made a rule against it yet doesn't make it ok. Something needs to be actioned so that this doesn't happen again. This is nothing like just naming an under-strength side because you don't have other players available. Every time someone ITT comes out with the ludicrous "but Australia do it too" you are just making yourself look like a fool.

 

[Dan]

I don't fully understand this. Why should Pakistan be obligated to help Australia? Why should Pakistan have to give up a huge element of home advantage?

If Australia wants to suck less against spin, they need to do the work themselves. Whether they play Pakistan A on a turning deck or Dera Ismail Khan on a greentop really shouldn't affect, let alone define, their preparation for a Test series.

Like, competitive tour matches made sense back when they drew thousands of spectators and made counties shedloads of money. There's literally no incentive whatsoever now.