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So you agree being a spinner who spins the ball massively is as rare a talent and as difficult as bowling 140 clicks?Exactly.
So you agree being a spinner who spins the ball massively is as rare a talent and as difficult as bowling 140 clicks?Exactly.
Again, it's not the amount they can spin the ball under ideal circumstances that determines how "talented" they are. It's their ability to spin whilst maintaining control. There's a qualitative difference between quicks and spinners in this regard.So you agree being a spinner who spins the ball massively is as rare a talent and as difficult as bowling 140 clicks?
Okay let me put it this way:Again, it's not the amount they can spin the ball under ideal circumstances that determines how "talented" they are. It's their ability to spin whilst maintaining control. There's a qualitative difference between quicks and spinners in this regard.
Whereas any pitch where a fast bowler can drag it half way down and be legitmately threatening is okay?
No. They are not okay either.
If a bowler bowls a long hop because he is ****, its fine. However, if Johnson bowls a short bouncer and it turns into a very low long hop because of the pitch, it's an issue.yes because bowling a good bouncer requires athleticism and skill. Any **** can bowl a slow long hop so it shouldn't be rewarded.
Yeah and fast bowlers who can't control their lengths generally get tonked.
Same with spinners.
And there are pitches which widen the margin of error for fast bowlers by being friendly to bounce/seam movement. This was such a pitch for spinners.Exactly.
Sure, but such a spinner would not try and bowl short, which is where I think we all got baffled.Okay let me put it this way:
Being a high rev spinner who can bowl with a degree of control = being a 140 kmph bowler who can bowl with a degree of control
Being able to propel a ball from one end to the other with a high amount of revs = being able to propel the ball from one end to the other at 140 clicks
I suspect you agree with the first but not the second?
I think the assumption everyone works on is that spin bowling is somehow easier than bowling fast.And there are pitches which widen the margin of error for fast bowlers by being friendly to bounce/seam movement. This was such a pitch for spinners.
You mean for a regular person. But that's what these people have trained for in their lives. And they have both trained for different things.I would still maintain, though, that spinning the ball hard without control is far easier than bowling at 140kmh+, which takes pretty extreme physical capability tbh.
Yeah, but what they're training for is control whilst maintaining revs. Not getting more revs on their own.You mean for a regular person. But that's what these people have trained for in their lives. And they have both trained for different things.
Nah, completely disagree.I would still maintain, though, that spinning the ball hard without control is far easier than bowling at 140kmh+, which takes pretty extreme physical capability tbh.
How many back stress fractures have spinners ever gotten?Nah, completely disagree.
The flaw here is classifying what part time spinners do to be the same as what elite spinners do.Spin is the easier bowling form. It's why so many part-time bowlers take it up, because they're too lazy how to bowl fast.
Bowling fast is an absolutely brutal thing to do to your body.
Yeah, but what they're training for is control whilst maintaining revs. Not getting more revs on their own.
Yeah, and the pacers are training for control whilst maintaining pace too. Not getting pace on its own.Yeah, but what they're training for is control whilst maintaining revs. Not getting more revs on their own.
How many fast bowlers have ****ed up their shoulders and fingers?How many back stress fractures have spinners ever gotten?
I'd absolutely lump in someone like Jadeja with a Trent Copeland tbh.The flaw here is classifying what part time spinners do to be the same as what elite spinners do.
No one lumps part time medium pacers with fast bowlers.
Uh, a lot?How many fast bowlers have ****ed up their shoulders and fingers?
Yup.The flaw here is classifying what part time spinners do to be the same as what elite spinners do.
No one lumps part time medium pacers with fast bowlers.
GtfoI'd absolutely lump in someone like Jadeja with a Trent Copeland tbh.
Higher physical demands does not make pace bowling better.Like you can say that spinners have to rely on other, subtler gifts--guile, intelligence, etc--to get their wickets compared to quicks, but to compare the physical demands placed on the body is just silly. They aren't within the same order of magnitude.