Garry Sobers, The Bowler?

[Avada Kedavra]

All those who say bowlers are more important to a team might say the later (thus opining that Sobers' bowling is more important than Imran's batting), but since I'm not one of them I shall say that they are about equally important.

I feel those who argue that bowling>batting are more likely to go for the bowling all rounder.

Those trying to bring down Sobers using stats need to realise that there is more to the great game than numbers.Use stats as a guide,not the be all and end all.

 

[honestbharani]

Now that is a very interesting question .......No.....make that a combination of Vettori and Ishant Sharma.



That only happened once and that too a decade back right?????



Well then why is Kallis not rated as highly as Sobers??? I mean Kallis could bowl at real pace at times.

Byt how many times did he do it? That is the point isn' it? I am telling there is a very real 8 year or something part of Sobers' career when he had a bowling average of 29 or 30 and a SR of 65 to 7 which was pretty good for that era... We need to chk that old thread to get exact details but I can tell you very easily that that sort of universal praise is not easy to obtain unless you had some real skill and produced some really good results.

 

[GotSpin]

I feel those who argue that bowling>batting are more likely to go for the bowling all rounder.

Those trying to bring down Sobers using stats need to realise that there is more to the great game than numbers.Use stats as a guide,not the be all and end all.

He was so important for his team as well - When the pitch was green he'd bowl spin and when the pitch was dusty he'd bowl pace - So the selectors could play an extra spinner/pace bowler according to the conditions.

 

[Prince EWS]

When the pitch was green he'd bowl spin and when the pitch was dusty he'd bowl pace

Genius.

 

[GotSpin]

Genius.

I'm not sure what that's about, but from what I read he'd change his bowling according to the conditions in an effort to aid the team, not his figures or stats.

 

[Teja.]

Genius.

Haha, AWTA.

 

[G.I.Joe]

I'll carry an umbrella in the winter and bust out the suede jacket when its raining.

 

[honestbharani]

Genius.

yeah too bad it goes over the head of some who can't read anything but statsguru..

 

[Teja.]

I'll carry an umbrella in the winter and bust out the suede jacket when its raining.

And the 102 fever you get from doing the latter should be looked in context and decided as perfectly good health. For unexplained reasons, you were taking one for the team of humanity after all.

 

[GotSpin]

I'll carry an umbrella in the winter and bust out the suede jacket when its raining.

Missing the point obviously

 

[honestbharani]

And the 102 fever you get from doing the latter should be looked in context and decided as perfectly good health. For unexplained reasons, you were taking one for the team of humanity after all.

yeah.. coz bowlling averages and SRs across eras are the same as body temperature.. Genius.

 

[honestbharani]

I'll carry an umbrella in the winter and bust out the suede jacket when its raining.

if it will in any conceivable way help your team, you really should do that, if you are any kind of team player.

 

[Teja.]

yeah.. coz bowlling averages and SRs across eras are the same as body temperature.. Genius.

Jeez, PEWS made a post on which Joe made a sarcastic joke and I added my own fail sarcastic joke to it. Completely in jest.

 

[honestbharani]

Jeez, PEWS made a post on which Joe made a sarcastic joke and I added my own fail sarcastic joke to it. Completely in jest.

yeah.. and someone pointed out that while the jokes were good, it missed the original point. jeez..

 

[GotSpin]

I don't know what's going on

 

[honestbharani]

pedantic discussion, FTW..

 

[G.I.Joe]

Sarcasm, smarchasm. If you have greater chances of picking up a wicket bowling pace on a wicket, you'd have to be a damn fool to bowl spin instead. It isn't a zero sum game. You aren't obliged to bowl a different style to what the other four bowlers in your attack have been bowling just for the sake of variety, and contrary to all indications that you'd have a lesser chance of picking up a wicket doing so. If Sobers bowled spin in one instance, and pace in another, it was because he picked the style that would give him the greatest chances of picking up a wicket on that particular pitch. It is plain stupidity to think otherwise, and rather insulting to the great man to make that flawed claim you guys have made.

 

[GotSpin]

Sarcasm, smarchasm. If you have greater chances of picking up a wicket bowling pace on a wicket, you'd have to be a damn fool to bowl spin instead. It isn't a zero sum game. You aren't obliged to bowl a different style to what the other four bowlers in your attack have been bowling just for the sake of variety, and contrary to all indications that you'd have a lesser chance of picking up a wicket doing so. If Sobers bowled spin in one instance, and pace in another, it was because he picked the style that would give him the greatest chances of picking up a wicket on that particular pitch. It is plain stupidity to think otherwise, and rather insulting to the great man to make that flawed claim you guys have made.

Or by being able to bowl spin on pace friendly wickets he allowed the West Indies to pick up an extra pace bowler who would do a better job than he would have in such friendly conditions.

 

[Prince EWS]

Or by being able to bowl spin on pace friendly wickets he allowed the West Indies to pick up an extra pace bowler who would do a better job than he would have in such friendly conditions.

There's not a mandatory amount of spin overs to be bowled though. If the wicket was so pace friendly, why not just bowl pace anyway? And if the variety his spin was providing was making it more likely to get a wicket than bowling pace would despite the surface.. then his average wouldn't actually suffer.

Basically, bowling in a way that is less likely to get you a wicket just goes against any sane cricketing logic. It either didn't really happen in the way people portray it, or it was just really stupid.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Or by being able to bowl spin on pace friendly wickets he allowed the West Indies to pick up an extra pace bowler who would do a better job than he would have in such friendly conditions.

Again, its not a zero sum game. What the extra bowler bowls does not serve as a restricting factor to the style of bowling Sobers could go on to employ in the said match. If the conditions were pace friendly, Sobers would have bowled pace to maximize his chances of picking up a wicket. If the wicket was still spin friendly, he'd bowl spin to maximize his chances of picking up a wicket. What the other four bowlers bowl is still irrelevant to which style gives Sobers the best chances of picking up a wicket on that pitch..