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***Official*** England in Sri Lanka

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I don't think Kapu cares about stats too much though, apart from how many fours and sixes he hits.
I'm fairly sure most batsmen don't, but the runs he scored today would look so much more impressive if they were counted as FC runs and got the recognition they deserved. Would look good on his CV, if you know what I mean? As it is, people will just say "Bah, just a 16 man practice game" and not care.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
I'm fairly sure most batsmen don't, but the runs he scored today would look so much more impressive if they were counted as FC runs and got the recognition they deserved. Would look good on his CV, if you know what I mean? As it is, people will just say "Bah, just a 16 man practice game" and not care.
Not necessarily. The SL selectors will be very aware of the fact that Tharanga & Kapu made tons against England's bowlers, irrespective of the fact that they don't count towards their career averages.

From an England perspective, the alternative is that some of the bowlers only get one game before the first test, which would be madness. I take your earlier point about the batsmen, and I think you're right that they may lose out if they're batting a couple of places lower than usual, butthey can always bat up the order if needed in the second game.

btw is this a 3 day game? If so, will England actually get to bat?
 

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Not necessarily. The SL selectors will be very aware of the fact that Tharanga & Kapu made tons against England's bowlers, irrespective of the fact that they don't count towards their career averages.

From an England perspective, the alternative is that some of the bowlers only get one game before the first test, which would be madness. I take your earlier point about the batsmen, and I think you're right that they may lose out if they're batting a couple of places lower than usual, butthey can always bat up the order if needed in the second game.

btw is this a 3 day game? If so, will England actually get to bat?
I know the Sri Lankan selectors will know what's happening, but I think Kapugedara and Tharanga would be much more grateful if these were FC games, as it would improve their record and show they can score runs against decent attacks. I just feel as though batsmen in particular are getting robbed when it comes to these games, because they don't count for too much other than selection.

Also, I noticed before that apparantly it was a 3 day game. Makes it even more farcical.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
What are they supposed to do given the current vogue for flying half way across the world to play all of 2 games before a test series? Blame the pea-brains who came up with the current schedule, not the players who have to cope with it.
Blame those responsible for the schedule, sure, but I honestly think it's far better to play 11-vs-11 even if you only have 1 game. 16-vs-12 is nothing more than a glorified net. People would be far more likely (likely, not certain obviously) to take things seriously if it was a proper game.

"Ah, it's just a tour-game" is almost as bad as no tour-games at all. You might as well prepare for a Test-series exclusively in the nets IMO.
 

Neil Pickup

Cricket Web Moderator
If you're representing your country then you shouldn't need the incentive of first-class statistics to make you take it seriously then you need to take a long hard look at yourself. These matches are about making sure the players are in optimal condition for December 1 and if this is the way they feel suits them best then we go with it.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Reprisenting your country in some mickey-mouse 16-vs-12 game is pretty meaningless. It's no more reprisenting your country than netting at a session organised by The ECB is.

And I'd hardly expect anyone to take such a game that seriously, nor worry overtly about how they did in it. If it's a proper game of cricket, though - the way tour-games were until very, very recently - there's a far higher chance of it.

Nonetheless, we know *certain people* are, shall we say, less interested in the importance of good-quality classification-of-matches than they should (:cool:) be.
 

lionheart

School Boy/Girl Captain
I hope Jayasuriya is dropped from the test side. Either Warnapura or Tharanga should get a run.

We can't keep selecting P. Jayawardene simply for Sangakkara's benefit. He has to be there as a quality batting option - which he isn't. I'd rather see Kapugedara in there.

Fernando has got to go. He is an absolute joke of a bowler.

Jason, you always seem to want to throw out the tub and the baby with the bathwater.
I wouldn't take much heed to anything he says, you'd only have to go back and read some of his posts circa Tom Moody's appointment as coach.

Dilshan scores of 188,70 and 89 as an opener in the local scene maybe he is suggesting something to the selectors for the one day game. But his stats have been amazing
I've always wondered how he'd go as an opener in ODIs.
 

FBU

International Debutant
Reprisenting your country in some mickey-mouse 16-vs-12 game is pretty meaningless. It's no more reprisenting your country than netting at a session organised by The ECB is.

And I'd hardly expect anyone to take such a game that seriously, nor worry overtly about how they did in it. If it's a proper game of cricket, though - the way tour-games were until very, very recently - there's a far higher chance of it.

Nonetheless, we know *certain people* are, shall we say, less interested in the importance of good-quality classification-of-matches than they should (:cool:) be.
Well however many play as it is a 3 day game on flat wickets there isn't going to be a result other than a draw. Maybe if they arranged for 2, four day games it would be better. You would think they would pick the same 11 from the last Test but the players in the ODIs and players returning from injury come into the equation. How would you find your best 11 if you don't give everyone a chance?
 

Neil Pickup

Cricket Web Moderator
Reprisenting your country in some mickey-mouse 16-vs-12 game is pretty meaningless. It's no more reprisenting your country than netting at a session organised by The ECB is.

And I'd hardly expect anyone to take such a game that seriously, nor worry overtly about how they did in it. If it's a proper game of cricket, though - the way tour-games were until very, very recently - there's a far higher chance of it.

Nonetheless, we know *certain people* are, shall we say, less interested in the importance of good-quality classification-of-matches than they should (:cool:) be.
Representing your country in a 16-v-12 means as much as representing your country in 11-v-11 against a BP XI - next to nothing as it is all about the Test matches.
 

Neil Pickup

Cricket Web Moderator
I hope Jayasuriya is dropped from the test side. Either Warnapura or Tharanga should get a run.

We can't keep selecting P. Jayawardene simply for Sangakkara's benefit. He has to be there as a quality batting option - which he isn't. I'd rather see Kapugedara in there.

Fernando has got to go. He is an absolute joke of a bowler.


I wouldn't take much heed to anything he says, you'd only have to go back and read some of his posts circa Tom Moody's appointment as coach.


I've always wondered how he'd go as an opener in ODIs.
Please drop Jayawardene.

Sangakkara as keeper: 42.85
Sangakkara as batsman: 92.00

+Sangakkara & HAPW > Sangakkara & whatever other batsman you pick
 

NZTailender

I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Kapu's gun. Great century from the lad. Hope he plays in the tests and this is the series where he 'gets it'.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Representing your country in a 16-v-12 means as much as representing your country in 11-v-11 against a BP XI - next to nothing as it is all about the Test matches.
It's not though. International level is not, contrary to some belief, all that there is in cricket.

What's more, cricket tours are that much better if you've a bit more cricket to play outside the internationals. Which is why the absurd schedules of the current time are considered virtually everywhere to be bad for the game.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
We can't keep selecting P. Jayawardene simply for Sangakkara's benefit. He has to be there as a quality batting option - which he isn't. I'd rather see Kapugedara in there.
If Sangakkara keeps, he cannot bat three. And what's the latest on Kaushal Silva?
 

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
If Sangakkara keeps, he cannot bat three. And what's the latest on Kaushal Silva?
Why can't he? He averages 47.93 batting at #3 and keeping wicket. Obviously there will be a strain on him, but he has managed it in the past.

Kaushal Silva is currently 54* against the England touring side.
 

LongHopCassidy

International Captain
Neil Pickup said:
If you're representing your country then you shouldn't need the incentive of first-class statistics to make you take it seriously then you need to take a long hard look at yourself.
Someone's become a Grammar Socialist in the interim. Clauses everywhere.
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
Please drop Jayawardene.

Sangakkara as keeper: 42.85
Sangakkara as batsman: 92.00

+Sangakkara & HAPW > Sangakkara & whatever other batsman you pick
Sangakkara & JK Silva > Sangakkara & Prassana, in terms of runs

Only issue is Silva's keeping isn't much better then Prior's.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Why can't he? He averages 47.93 batting at #3 and keeping wicket. Obviously there will be a strain on him, but he has managed it in the past.
Of course he's managed it in the past, but on several of those most recent occasions (and the reason Prasanna Jayawardene was recalled in 2006) practically everyone has commented on how tired he tends to look when coming off a long day in the field, and the last thing you need in that eventuality is coming in to bat three.

If he were to drop to five and keep wicket, I'd be happier. Mahela Jayawardene is easily good enough to bat three, and hopefully Tillikaratne Dilshan might get recalled to bat four; if not him, Chamara Silva can.
 

pasag

RTDAS
Indeed, it was the Sri Lankan batsmen who didn't perform. Not being able to chase 234 in the second game, all out for 164 in the third and only putting 211 on the board in the fourth. Murali not being there had very little to do with SL losing that series, the batsmen looked flat and uninspired for quite a bit of the series, the times that mattered anyways.
 

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