Kiwi Seam Attack

[EnglishRose]

NZ's seam attack is overrated IMO.

They get great figures on pitches with considerable lateral movement.
But put them on a wicket where they actually have to work for their wickets and they look clueless.

They have now lost 4 matches in the past six months after setting a 4th innings total in excess of 200, haven't they ? That IMO says something about their seam attack, which seems to come in for less criticism than their batting or Vettori.

 

[luckyeddie]

NZ's seam attack is overrated IMO.

They get great figures on pitches with considerable lateral movement.
But put them on a wicket where they actually have to work for their wickets and they look clueless.

They have now lost 4 matches in the past six months after setting a 4th innings total in excess of 200, haven't they ? That IMO says something about their seam attack, which seems to come in for less criticism than their batting or Vettori.

English Rose-tinted-spectacles, more like.

If you think that The 'attack' which ended the third test bore any resemblance to what would normally be their first-choice seam attack, please tell me how. A case of 'mix and match' or 'who's available?'

Or have you been on a desert island for a few weeks?

 

[Loony BoB]

It's hard to be overrated when you're not really rated. The only NZ bowler I rate higher than most international bowlers is Bond.

 

[tooextracool]

NZ's seam attack is overrated IMO.

They get great figures on pitches with considerable lateral movement.
But put them on a wicket where they actually have to work for their wickets and they look clueless.

They have now lost 4 matches in the past six months after setting a 4th innings total in excess of 200, haven't they ? That IMO says something about their seam attack, which seems to come in for less criticism than their batting or Vettori.

its strange how these people always attack players when they are down.....i can only wonder what people will come up with when harmison has one bad series in india or SL.

 

[EnglishRose]

English Rose-tinted-spectacles, more like.

If you think that The 'attack' which ended the third test bore any resemblance to what would normally be their first-choice seam attack, please tell me how. A case of 'mix and match' or 'who's available?'

Or have you been on a desert island for a few weeks?

not that I mentioned the third test specifically....but then given the regularity of the rubbish you post, I'm not surprised.

 

[luckyeddie]

not that I mentioned the third test specifically....but then given the regularity of the rubbish you post, I'm not surprised.

Well, that's a nice start to our 'relationship', I must say.

 

[Tim]

Nobody has ever rated the NZ attack here. It has potential, but that's as far as it's ever got.
The loss to Derbyshire disappointed me..but I guess I shouldn't be too surprised considering what's happened so far on the tour.

 

[Neil Pickup]

That's Derbyshire's first win since, when?!

 

[marc71178]

Personally I feel that if all fit, the NZ attack is handy.

To write them off after the problems they've had in the last month is lunacy.

Bond = injured
Tuffey = unfit
Martin got injured
Oram got injured
Cairns has now gone.

Need I carry on?

 

[meatspx]

A couple of months ago we couldn't stop hearing from the likes of Martin Crowe how much 'depth' NZ had in its bowling stocks.

"Butler ain't even playing and he got a six-wicket bag last time he bowled!"
"Mason is a great prospect, good line and length" - after 2 ODIs.

Now look what has happened. I know this will be called a pretty stupid thing to say - but why not have 2 specialist coaches. An ODI and Test coach

If Bracewell keeps loosing until next summer, but keeps improving our ODI side - it might be a possibility. Perhaps I'm being a bit harsh because our problems involved the selection of the squad.

 

[Tim]

Its clear the the bowlers have let the side down badly on this tour. But I haven't seen NZ look this fragile for quite awhile. I mean we've always had a tendency to perform badly on occassions, but it's almost like a common theme now.

Sure Bracewell is only the coach, but we don't know what rules & disciplines he is putting in place. Bracewell is well known for wanting alot of control from his days at Glouc's, which is what Fleming has had with NZ under Trist & Aberhart...so there's an obvious clash there that surely won't be going down well now that they're under pressure.

 

[Craig]

And if anybody is going to be made a scrapgoat, it will be John Bracewell.

The chances of Stephen Fleming having the captaincy stripped is akin to Arsenal selling Thierry Henry or Manchester United ever sacking Sir Alex Ferguson.

 

[Tim]

Sure Fleming should take some blame, but he can't execute many plans if the bowlers aren't putting it in the right places.

It is just suspicious that NZ have dramatically lost ground in test matches since John Bracewell took over as coach.

 

[Mr. P]

Im with Marc. When fit, the NZ attack is as good as any. (Except Australia)

Bond, Tuffey, Oram and Martin is hardly something to complain about.

 

[Tim]

Key words: "When fit"

This has been said over & over again about the NZ bowling attack..I've never seen NZ have their best bowling attack since they started to become decent around 1999.
I don't know whether it's just bad luck or what...I know though that the physio's & doctors down at the NZ Academy are banging their heads on a brickwall to figure out how to stem the flow of injuries to bowlers in this country.

 

[Craig]

I guess what they put into their mouths may also be a factor.

 

[luckyeddie]

I guess what they put into their mouths may also be a factor.

Feet?

 

[Craig]

No food.

 

[anzac]

I wonder if the poor / inconsistant standard of domestic pitches has got anything to do with it................

no doubt the unusual weather of the past few years has had an impact on their preparation as well................

it seems ironic that just as Fleming & the NZCC said they wanted to develop domestic pitches away from the 'traditional' low & slow types they have had rubbish / inconsistand weather to contend with to foil their plans...........