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    He definitely edged it imo - if that mark on the bat came from the pad knee roll like they speculated I expect it would look more blurred. Plus it happened at exactly the spot the ball went past bat.

    It's pretty bloody unlucky - very similar to the non-dismissal of Burns off the thinnest of edges at the start of England's innings. Noone can blame the umpire, nor really NZ for not appealing it, it's just unfortunate.

    .... though we also can't complain about luck when we drop catches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    I definitely think at times when someone is truly hopeless, repeatedly bowling balls that won't hit the stumps isn't really the best method to get them out. Sometimes it's "you bounced me in the first innings" bowling and sometimes it's just "hey I'm a ****" bowling. When it's justifiably a plan to get them out quickly the umpires tend to be fine with it. Tbh they tend to be fine with it even in the former situations, but those are the reasons the law hasn't been altered/scrapped. They just interpret it that way now insofar as they consider it at all.

    And yeah while we're in a more safety-conscious era, we're also in an era with more protective gear, and perhaps even more importantly a more professional one. The idea that you could lose an international cricket game because the #11 set up camp on the front stool and scored 22 in a hundred run partnership because the bowlers weren't allowed to bowl to where he sucked would just been seen as ridiculous now. I think we're more likely to go down a path of thirteen a side Tests than that sort of thing if the player safety lobby grows (not that I think either is particularly likely in the near future).
    I could definitely see some of the hyper-experimental short formats (like The Hundred++ or something) taking the notion of "specialists" to the logical extreme - i.e. you have specialist batsmen whose job it is literally to just bat and are ineligible to do anything else, specialist bowlers whose job is to literally just bowl and are ineligible to do anything else, and so on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    I could definitely see some of the hyper-experimental short formats (like The Hundred++ or something) taking the notion of "specialists" to the logical extreme - i.e. you have specialist batsmen whose job it is literally to just bat and are ineligible to do anything else, specialist bowlers whose job is to literally just bowl and are ineligible to do anything else, and so on.
    Yeah they're actually considering doing this in the next IPL.

    Professionalism meeting player safety standards will eventually just make tailend batting not a thing rather than letting them live on the front foot IMO.
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    Crazy how Archer can get such steep bounce even when his pace isn't registering as express and he's not actually that tall. Just something generally uncanny about his bowling.
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    (once again though, I'm getting all this off cricinfo comms and assuming the umpires didn't just miss obvious wide calls)

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    Jofra getting some bounce. I don't think this is a slow pitch. Some carry...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    I definitely think at times when someone is truly hopeless, repeatedly bowling balls that won't hit the stumps isn't really the best method to get them out. Sometimes it's "you bounced me in the first innings" bowling and sometimes it's just "hey I'm a ****" bowling. When it's justifiably a plan to get them out quickly the umpires tend to be fine with it. Tbh they tend to be fine with it even in the former situations, but those are the reasons the law hasn't been altered/scrapped. They just interpret it that way now insofar as they consider it at all.

    And yeah while we're in a more safety-conscious era, we're also in an era with more protective gear, and perhaps even more importantly a more professional one. The idea that you could lose an international cricket game because the #11 set up camp on the front stool and scored 22 in a hundred run partnership because the bowlers weren't allowed to bowl to where he sucked would just been seen as ridiculous now. I think we're more likely to go down a path of thirteen a side Tests than that sort of thing if the player safety lobby grows (not that I think either is particularly likely in the near future).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Yeah they're actually considering doing this in the next IPL.

    Professionalism meeting player safety standards will eventually just make tailend batting not a thing rather than letting them live on the front foot IMO.
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    Why does umpire's call cover impact? No one knows. But very slightly outside anyway.
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    What's the rule on impact anyway? What does "in line with" mean.... Anything in line, all in line, >50% in line?
    I'm going to guess whoever first drafted the law didn't give it much thought...
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    Raval ridiculously lucky. Maybe he can put away those shots for another ten overs - worth it to give Taylor and Nicholls an easier start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milenko47 View Post
    Why does umpire's call cover impact? No one knows. But very slightly outside anyway.
    Have made this same complaint many times. As it isn't a predictive path, surely they can narrow it down to a precise point? Although maybe I'm oversimplifying as I guess depending on the angle of approach of the ball, it may be difficult to define which point on the ball touches pad first?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flametree View Post
    What's the rule on impact anyway? What does "in line with" mean.... Anything in line, all in line, >50% in line?
    I'm going to guess whoever first drafted the law didn't give it much thought...
    Surely with a round ball first impact is a specific point?

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    Leach could be quite a handful if we are chasing 250 on day 5.



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