Where does Dale Steyn stack up historically

[Gob]

I really don't want to come across as a detractor of Dale Steyn whose bowling i enjoyed very much. There are many aspects in rating great bowlers and getting the oppos best bat is one such aspect which imo McGrath did better than anyone. Sure there are some other aspects in wich Steyn excelled McGrath

 

[Gob]

And this would maybe be entirely relevant if Steyn had ever played against Lara...

ffs point being that he got the best in his time so often.

Show me an equivalent for Steyn?

 

[Daemon]

ffs point being that he got the best in his time so often.

Show me an equivalent for Steyn?

Highest averaging bat in the opposition team

Steyn: 112 wickets
McGrath: 66 wickets

 

[MrPrez]

ffs point being that he got the best in his time so often.

Show me an equivalent for Steyn?

Found this on everyone's actual favourite cricket forum (/s).

Of course, Clarke, Sehwag and Trott aren't the same as Lara, but they were all key players for their respective teams.

 

[MrPrez]

Daemon's stat more telling than mine for sure.

Of course, it is worth highlighting that McGrath played with Warne a lot, who would also have been employed as a primary strike bowler against opposition threats.

 

[Gob]

Highest averaging bat in the opposition team

Steyn: 112 wickets
McGrath: 66 wickets

Show me a spreadsheet

 

[MrPrez]

Show me a spreadsheet

 

[ankitj]

I am pretty confident about the numbers. It might not be 100% faultless, but it would be somewhat close.

Head to head stats that cricinfo published were basically average of batsmen in innings where the batsman was dismissed by given bowler. At one point Tendulkar's average against Akhtar according to cricinfo was <1 run.

 

[ma1978]

I am to young to have any real memories Marshall in his prime, but I've seen enough of the six truly great fast bowlers since - Akram, Ambrose, Donald, McGrath, Steyn and Younis - and some other very special ones like Bond, Rabada and Avatar.

Steyn had it all! He was as beautiful to watch as Akram, as terrifying as Donald and had the consistency and statistical superiority of Mcgrath. And he played in the absolutely most soul crushing batsman friendly era. I can comfortably say he was the most complete of this time.

How you call anyone the GOAT in a world where Malcolm Marshall lived is a hard sell, but he's certainly well in the conversation.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Highest averaging bat in the opposition team

Steyn: 112 wickets
McGrath: 66 wickets

Argh was just going to post this.

 

[StephenZA]

ffs point being that he got the best in his time so often.

Show me an equivalent for Steyn?

As has already been mentioned Clarke's 9 times... most of which was when he was Aus best batsmen.

My point is that people love to make definitive statements about something they believe to be true, that does not make it true. We can go down the stats rabbit holes etc to try vindicate our points. You believe McGrath was a better bowler and believe he did better against the best batsmen in opposition team. I don't. I think that Steyn is a better bowler than McGrath and did just as well against the best batsmen of his time. And now we can argue to death our point of views pulling out stats to back our points up in some arbitrary way.

But definitive statements based off personal opinions are amusing to me.

 

[ma1978]

I would rather pay to watch Steyn than McGrath, as would I think most neutral cricket fans. That has to be worth something.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Head to head stats that cricinfo published were basically average of batsmen in innings where the batsman was dismissed by given bowler. At one point Tendulkar's average against Akhtar according to cricinfo was <1 run.

He said gets it from another website cricmetrics. Even assuming the data they have is accurate, I really doubt if they actually have player v player data going back to 1993 for the entirety of McGrath's career.

 

[Bolo]

Highest averaging bat in the opposition team

Steyn: 112 wickets
McGrath: 66 wickets

Is this right? Seems a bit improbable that steyn would be that far ahead, particularly considering how many more career wickets McGrath took.

 

[Starfighter]

Is this right? Seems a bit improbable that steyn would be that far ahead, particularly considering how many more career wickets McGrath took.

I think It's a completely pointless measure more like it. Something that could be very much down to chance or myriad other factors. And yeah, I don't trust Daemon's ad-hoc statsing either.

 

[trundler]

66 vs 112 would make more sense if that's only going back to the early to mid 2000s. I don't think they had ball by ball data before that. Needless to say that kind of renders the whole state pointless since it excludes the majority of McGrath's career.

 

[ankitj]

Found this on everyone's actual favourite cricket forum (/s).

Of course, Clarke, Sehwag and Trott aren't the same as Lara, but they were all key players for their respective teams.

Folks at PakPassion making same error with h2h records. Cricinfo needs to pull that **** off the site.

 

[ankitj]

Daemon wins this thread.

 

[Logan]

Does anyone know how Steyn’s stats (average and SR) stack up against McGrath and Marshall when compared to the bowlers he played with during their respective time period?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Is this right? Seems a bit improbable that steyn would be that far ahead, particularly considering how many more career wickets McGrath took.

There's no way those stats are accurate. It's probably Steyn's whole career vs half of McGrath's or something along those lines