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    West Indies 11 vs Australia 11

    Australia West Indies
    Ponsford Greenidge
    Trumper Haynes
    Bradman Headly
    G.Chapell Iva Richards
    A.Border Lara
    S.Waugh Lloyd
    Gilchrist Walcott
    Lindwall Marshall
    Lillie Holding
    Warne Gibbs
    Mcrath Ambrose

    My wicket keepers are Walcott and Gilchrist and my wicket keepers and my captains are Waugh and Lloyd. How do you think I can improve my team.

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    Clive Walcott as a 'keeper?

    It look's a bit unbalanced IMO, with so many batter's, you have a good bowling line-up for WI. Somebody like Jeff Dejon or Derrick Murrary as 'keeper's.

    Swap Gilchrist for Rod Marsh.

    Take out Lara and put in Sobers, and swap Walcott for a specialist 'keeper.
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    Bradman never had to face quicks like Sharma and Irfan Pathan. He wouldn't of lasted a ball against those 2, not to mention a spinner like Sehwag.

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    I would be tempted to go with Dujon. As good as Lance Gibbs was, a pace quartet is still a stronger lineup given the Windies' history of fast bowlers. Someone like Walsh or Garner would be ideal. Sobers can't be left out.

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    Australia

    Trumper
    Hayden
    Bradman (cpt)
    G Chappell
    Ponting
    Gilchrist (wk)
    Miller
    Lindwall
    Lillee
    O'Reilly
    McGrath

    West Indies

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    Headley
    Weekes
    Lara
    Sobers
    Dujon (wk)
    Marshall
    Holding
    Ambrose
    Garner
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    WEST INDIES

    Hunte avg (45.1)

    Worrell (Capt) (49.5) wkts (69 at 38.7)

    Headley (60.8)

    Weekes (58.6)

    Richards (50.2) (32 at 61.4)

    Sobers (57.8) (235 at 34.0)

    Dujon (31.9) victims (272 in 81 tests)

    Marshall (18.9) (376 at 21.0)

    Holding (249 at 23.7)

    Gibbs (309 at 29.1)

    Ambrose (405 at 21.0)

    AUSTRALIA

    Trumper, Ponsford, Bradman, Harvey, Chappell G, Miller, Healy (Oldfield) , Warne, Lindwall, Lillee, Grimmett

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
    WEST INDIES

    Hunte avg (45.1)

    Worrell (Capt) (49.5) wkts (69 at 38.7)

    Headley (60.8)

    Weekes (58.6)

    Richards (50.2) (32 at 61.4)

    Sobers (57.8) (235 at 34.0)

    Dujon (31.9) victims (272 in 81 tests)

    Marshall (18.9) (376 at 21.0)

    Holding (249 at 23.7)

    Gibbs (309 at 29.1)

    Ambrose (405 at 21.0)

    AUSTRALIA

    Trumper, Ponsford, Bradman, Harvey, Chappell G, Miller, Healy (Oldfield) , Warne, Lindwall, Lillee, Grimmett
    The variety argument is useless if the spinner is not up to it, and although Gibbs was good his strike rate is nearly 90, compared to 50 for Garner. Surely an extra 30 runs from Gilchrist is worth more than 10 more byes saved by Healy or Oldfield? Almost everyone who saw O'Reilly and Grimmett thought O'Reilly was better. What more can you ask of Hayden?

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    Quote Originally Posted by a massive zebra
    The variety argument is useless if the spinner is not up to it, and although Gibbs was good his strike rate is nearly 90, compared to 50 for Garner. Surely an extra 30 runs from Gilchrist is worth more than 10 more byes saved by Healy or Oldfield? Almost everyone who saw O'Reilly and Grimmett thought O'Reilly was better. What more can you ask of Hayden?
    Spinners never have the same strike rate as pacers. The differnce is almost 20-25 balls per wicket. You can check over the entire history of the game. I know Gibbs is not in the all time great spinners list of anyone but we have to choose from west Indies. He would have played for them any time he had played.

    I dont think you are right about the wicket keeper. This is a thought process brought about by ODI's. In test matches one has to select the keeper first and then the rest of the team. England tried hard to play a regular keeper inspite of Stewart being available but kept going back to him not because he would score more runs but because the specialist wicketkeeper options werent so great. If Taylor had been playing at the same time as Stewart, the latter wouldnt have kept in a single test match. And this in a batting side like England which wasnt great by any standards.

    For Australia we are talking of a side that includes the greatest batsmen Australia has ever produced in Bradman, Trumper, Chappell and Ponsford. No I do not think Gilchrist would find a place just as Walcott doesnt find a place in West Indies inspite of an average of 58 and Les Ames will not be in an all time England eleven.

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    [QUOTE=SJS]Spinners never have the same strike rate as pacers. The differnce is almost 20-25 balls per wicket. You can check over the entire history of the game. QUOTE]

    Here it is. The average strike rate of the top 20 pace bowlers , by wickets taken (sobers not included) is 52.8 while that of the top 20 wicket taking spinners is 69.1 (Sobers again not included) Actually, Murali (58.2) Warne (59.7) and MacGill (55) really show the problem today's batsmen are finding against quality spinners. Otherwise, Benaud 66, Kumble 67, Underwood 70, Bedi 78, Ramadhin 85, Mankad 89, Valentine 88, Titmus 90, Venketraghvan 90 make sure Gibbs 81 is in good company

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    How does this new team read.

    Greenidge Ponsford
    Haynes Trumper
    Richards (cpt) Bradman (cpt)
    Headley G. Chappel
    Lara S. Waugh
    Sobers Miller
    Dujon Healy
    Marshall Lindwall
    Holding Lillie
    Gibbs Warne
    Ambrose Mcrath

    It was a very hard choice choosing between Waugh and Border but in the end I went for Waugh. In five match series I would tip Australia to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE DON
    How does this new team read.

    Greenidge Ponsford
    Haynes Trumper
    Richards (cpt) Bradman (cpt)
    Headley G. Chappel
    Lara S. Waugh
    Sobers Miller
    Dujon Healy
    Marshall Lindwall
    Holding Lillie
    Gibbs Warne
    Ambrose Mcrath

    It was a very hard choice choosing between Waugh and Border but in the end I went for Waugh. In five match series I would tip Australia to win.
    Two and a half spinner in 22 players. Bradman would strongly disagree and he carried lot of clout in team selection. Dont you ever expect to play on a wicket that would turn ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
    Two and a half spinner in 22 players. Bradman would strongly disagree and he carried lot of clout in team selection. Dont you ever expect to play on a wicket that would turn ?
    Bradman, for one, never played a test in India. If these teams were to play at home (i.e. WI in WI, Aus in Aus), I doubt Aus would need more than one spinner and WI wouldn't need any at all. The teams he selected are XI's, not squads. Of course if they expected to encounter spinning conditions they would include spinners in the squad. The fact is that the most successful teams in history achieved their success with either 1 spinner or none, at most 1 + a part-timer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamc
    Bradman, for one, never played a test in India. If these teams were to play at home (i.e. WI in WI, Aus in Aus), I doubt Aus would need more than one spinner and WI wouldn't need any at all. The teams he selected are XI's, not squads. Of course if they expected to encounter spinning conditions they would include spinners in the squad. The fact is that the most successful teams in history achieved their success with either 1 spinner or none, at most 1 + a part-timer.
    It is not in India that some of the greatest spinners bowling performances have been but in England. And I disagree about most great teams having just one spinner. Except those that did not have world class spinners. Then , of course, you would not play two, or even one, spinner.

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    Bradman, by the way , picked the greatest Ashes teams. Here they are :-

    Bradman chose the following teams in batting order:

    Australia: Bill Ponsford, Morris, Bradman, Harvey, Macartney, Keith Miller, Don Tallon, Ray Lindwall, Dennis Lillee, Bill O'Reilly, Clarrie Grimmett. 12th man: Benaud.

    England: Jack Hobbs, Len Hutton, Compton, May, Wally Hammond, Grace, Evans, Fred Trueman, Alec Bedser, Barnes, Hedley Verity. 12th man: Ian Botham.


    source :- Bradmans Best Ashes Teams by Roland Perry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig
    Clive Walcott as a 'keeper?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
    Two and a half spinner in 22 players.

    Is the same as one in a team, about right for a balanced attack.

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