Is test cricket about to enter a golden phase of captaincy?

[cnerd123]

Ponting wasn't an outrageously bad captain, but he was pretty standard. I wouldn't back him to make the most out of a limited team like you would for a Fleming or Jayawaradene. Did a great job of managing the personalities in the team though - could you imagine how Warne might have turned out under any other skipper? In reality that's all that was needed of him. So he played his role perfectly.

I've always felt Mushy is a fairly terrible captain. Kinda just has the job due to seniority and being a lock in the team for so long. Does make fairly poor tactical and strategical decisions. MSD as a Test captain also declined towards the end of his career, but that was tied to India's bowling attack going through that terrible slump and the Fab 4 fading in the middle order. Couldn't really do much, but was still depressing to see how negative he got.

 

[Athlai]

Ponting wasn't an outrageously bad captain, but he was pretty standard. I wouldn't back him to make the most out of a limited team like you would for a Fleming or Jayawaradene. Did a great job of managing the personalities in the team though - could you imagine how Warne might have turned out under any other skipper? In reality that's all that was needed of him. So he played his role perfectly.

I've always felt Mushy is a fairly terrible captain. Kinda just has the job due to seniority and being a lock in the team for so long. Does make fairly poor tactical and strategical decisions. MSD as a Test captain also declined towards the end of his career, but that was tied to India's bowling attack going through that terrible slump and the Fab 4 fading in the middle order. Couldn't really do much, but was still depressing to see how negative he got.

Nobody said Mushy was good or Dhoni.

 

[cnerd123]

Nobody said Mushy was good or Dhoni.

For some reason I felt this was a thread about terrible captains.

 

[honestbharani]

Are we gonna pretend like Lara's 400 wasn't the most selfish act in cricket history?

Again, purely tactically speaking, having contemporaries like Ganguly and Alistair "deep point" Cook made him look like tactical genius

I generally do like to pretend that what is not true, is in fact not true.


How is it in any way shape or form more selfish than Ponting basically throwing a game away to save himself from a fine? Face it, what Punter did is closer to what Amir and Co. did than what Lara did.

 

[honestbharani]

When was this? I can only find a test in 2008 where part-timers didn't really bowl and India won easily, and one in 2004 that Australia won easily and Ponting wasn't even playing

edit: not saying I don't believe you just interested in seeing the context

yeah funny how you know everything about games that go right though... Are you aware of the entire context of Lara's 400, by the way? Coz you make it as though you were there in the dressing room.

 

[honestbharani]

Ponting wasn't an outrageously bad captain, but he was pretty standard. I wouldn't back him to make the most out of a limited team like you would for a Fleming or Jayawaradene. Did a great job of managing the personalities in the team though - could you imagine how Warne might have turned out under any other skipper? In reality that's all that was needed of him. So he played his role perfectly.

I've always felt Mushy is a fairly terrible captain. Kinda just has the job due to seniority and being a lock in the team for so long. Does make fairly poor tactical and strategical decisions. MSD as a Test captain also declined towards the end of his career, but that was tied to India's bowling attack going through that terrible slump and the Fab 4 fading in the middle order. Couldn't really do much, but was still depressing to see how negative he got.

Ponting was an average captain who did that one shocking deed which makes him fall down even from that level, in my book.

 

[Howe_zat]

This will only be looked at as a golden period of test captaincy in 15 years time. Like all captains they will be relentlessly **** on until they retire, at which point whoever takes over will be terrible in comparison. This never ends and has no winner.

 

[cnerd123]

This will only be looked at as a golden period of test captaincy in 15 years time. Like all captains they will be relentlessly **** on until they retire, at which point whoever takes over will be terrible in comparison. This never ends and has no winner.

That's not true. Fleming got praised throughout his career. Benaud always got praised. Brearley literally played his entire career as a specialist captain.

I think the real issue is the captaincy is ridiculously hard and your success and failure can depend heavily on circumstances out of your control. There is a thin line between being an innovative, clever captain and a rubbish one who tries dumb things. That's why most captains just do the boring, predictable, routine things when on the field.

 

[mr_mister]

yeah funny how you know everything about games that go right though... Are you aware of the entire context of Lara's 400, by the way? Coz you make it as though you were there in the dressing room.

here's some context. hayden took the record from Lara. Lara got mad. Lara wanted it back and he'd be damned if it stood as Hayden v Zimbabwe as the ultimate test high score. It was Hammond/Hutton all over again, sort of...

 

[honestbharani]

In other words, you have no ****ing idea.

 

[honestbharani]

That's not true. Fleming got praised throughout his career. Benaud always got praised. Brearley literally played his entire career as a specialist captain.

I think the real issue is the captaincy is ridiculously hard and your success and failure can depend heavily on circumstances out of your control. There is a thin line between being an innovative, clever captain and a rubbish one who tries dumb things. That's why most captains just do the boring, predictable, routine things when on the field.

Pretty sure both Clarke and Jayawardene will be among the more recent examples.

 

[mr_mister]

In other words, you have no ****ing idea.

lol there you go getting super mad again. take a joke my boy its starting to become really bothersome

 

[honestbharani]

lol.. are you not the one getting super mad? I just stated a fact.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Can I really be ****ed going back and reading this thread


Judging by this page so far I doubt it

 

[TheJediBrah]

I don't know what it is with Indians and Ricky Ponting. Indian fans always seem to have a massive chip on their shoulder about him, even the usually sensible ones. It's either something to do with culture clashes with his personality, or an unconscious reaction to him scoring so many runs against them I have no idea (just theories).

I've actually been noticing this for years but this thread really reminded me of it.

 

[honestbharani]

I don't know what it is with Indians and Ricky Ponting. Indian fans always seem to have a massive chip on their shoulder about him, even the usually sensible ones. It's either something to do with culture clashes with his personality, or an unconscious reaction to him scoring so many runs against them I have no idea (just theories).

I've actually been noticing this for years but this thread really reminded me of it.

ROFL... more crap posting with NFI of reality. Awesome.

 

[mr_mister]

lol.. are you not the one getting super mad? I just stated a fact.

well i was being facetious. and usually swearing indicates a change in tone at someone? i know this is the internet and all but you never seem very civil with me. least thats what it feels like

i dont want to play the 'no YOUR mad im completely calm over here' game so im gonna leave now. but you should def conduct yourself differently toward me please

 

[TheJediBrah]

well i was being facetious. and usually swearing indicates a change in tone at someone? i know this is the internet and all but you never seem very civil with me. least thats what it feels like

i dont want to play the 'no YOUR mad im completely calm over here' game so im gonna leave now. but you should def conduct yourself differently toward me please

hb ain't gonna change for you champ

hb ain't gonna change for no man

also it's *you're mad, not your

 

[honestbharani]

well i was being facetious. and usually swearing indicates a change in tone at someone? i know this is the internet and all but you never seem very civil with me. least thats what it feels like

i dont want to play the 'no YOUR mad im completely calm over here' game so im gonna leave now. but you should def conduct yourself differently toward me please

There is no "conduct" here. Just posts and responses. And bailing out on a completely bad post saying "its a joke" is just plain lame. You made a bad post. I called it one. Get on with your life.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Don’t know why Ponting would be associated with any golden era of captaincy. Had great success in first few years but was largely because he was helming an all-time great side.

Post 06/07 his personality and tactical weaknesses became exposed constantly; he was especially poor in handling spin post-Warne.

Was clearly respected by his teammates throughout but overall, thought Taylor & Clarke were better Test captains of Oz.

Now that I have had a taste of Ponting the commentator, I am quite surprised he was such a poor captain tactically. He is such an intelligent and astute observer of the game, picking up little details here and there and always appears to know which way a certain phase in the game could be heading. These are all qualities that would make an excellent captain I would think